<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655</id><updated>2012-02-02T07:58:46.068-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Energy Conservation How To</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>81</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-4177069845057184723</id><published>2012-01-27T13:36:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-02-02T07:58:46.170-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Weatherization and a State Bank, in a Mayoral Race</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I see a weatherization core in t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;he politics of a mayoral campaign in Portland, Oregon. Our sitting mayor, Sam Adams, escaped recall thanks to voter lethargy, after &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Adams_(politician)" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;lying to avoid losing his election in 2008&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;. Our city has suffered malaise through his term&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;. Sam Adams has wisely decided to not seek reelection, creating an early vacuum for a good array of candidates to move in.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I attended two rallies in the Portland mayoral campaign, last evening, January 26th. The first was in promotion of candidate&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.eileenformayor.com/events/2012/01/26/Believe-in-local-Hawken/" style="background-color: white; color: #0000cc;" target="_blank"&gt;Eileen Brady&lt;/a&gt;. The best part of that event was a talk by &lt;a href="http://www.paulhawken.com/paulhawken_frameset.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Paul Hawken&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, surprising in the clarity of a call for an Oregon State Bank, as a channel for keeping finance through our savings, local. Off Wall Street. Not gone to who-knows-where and maybe doing ourselves harm. The State Bank is a central focus of the new Oregon Working Families Party, and did not fare well in the Oregon Legislature 2011 session. I bet it is not a matter of passion, to Eileen Brady. Paul Hawken will remain an honored adviser, and will not expect much environmental or finance innovation through Portland's Mayor, whoever is elected.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I left the staid Brady event after an hour,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;for more-urgent attendance at a &lt;a href="http://www.bossanovaballroom.com/event/jefferson-smith-for-mayor-party"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Jefferson&amp;nbsp;Smith Party, a really joyous event&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. The Smith campaign makes no promise on the State Bank issue, yet it was Jefferson Smith who stood up for a State Bank, at a major&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Working Families Party event in&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Portland,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://oregoniansforastatebank.org/2011/01/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;February 1st, 2011&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;. That attendance has earned my loyalty, to &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; State Representative. I was generously given opportunity to speak up&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;in a Smith Town Hall Meeting in my neighborhood, on March 30th, 2011, before the dawn of the &lt;a href="http://www.jeffersonsmith.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;current mayoral opportunity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. I will work very actively for the election of Jefferson Smith, to nurture whatever seed I have planted in a weatherization cause.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;At the Eileen Brady event, I also wanted to study a relationship between&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Ms. Brady, and endorsers present,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/12/clean-energy-works-portland.html" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Jules Bailey&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;, and Derek Smith, the City of Portland employee who elevated himself to run a new private business spending public funds for weatherization,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Clean Energy Works Portland (now&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Clean Energy Works Oregon). More on this below.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I have my own view on utility of an Oregon State Bank, and see it has not before been posted here. It is as stated here in a May, 2011 email response to yet-another customer who declined my weatherization bid, for lack of up-front savings:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;I imagine a radical escape from commercial banking, serving weatherization. A new&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/02/hy_creating_a_virtual_state_ba.html" style="background-color: white; color: #0000cc; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #000099;"&gt;&lt;span class="il" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffff88; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; color: #222222;"&gt;Oregon&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="il" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffff88; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; color: #222222;"&gt;State&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="il" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffff88; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; color: #222222;"&gt;Bank&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;could shuffle money for the work. The work with rapid payback gets done, and draw on the savings commences, in sustained higher utility bills or other repayment contract, with closeout at house sale. The contractor could draw from a liabilities account as needed, maybe leaving a lot in a retirement account. I &amp;nbsp;see the important things we must do to survive, getting harder with each new catastrophe. This could apply not only where large energy savings are possible, but &amp;nbsp;where hazards risk house destruction, as with faulty wiring or a failed roof.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;By chance yesterday, I stopped in at the &lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://wfn.pcc.edu/OneStops/Metro/metro_one_stop_home.asp"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Portland Metropolitan Workforce Training Center&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;a facility of Portland Community College.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;I remarked to an attendant, that &amp;nbsp;I work as a business owner in weatherization, with skills hard-won. Would someone talk with me? I had a wonderful half-hour meeting with the center's Director. We confirmed that no training is happening at the Center.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I reported that none is happening through money funnel Energy Trust of Oregon, per their &lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/updates-and-events/calendar/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;online calendar&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I find no credible training in weatherization, anywhere except &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/building-performance-madness.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;econtc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. A well-meaning person in Portland, seeking to participate in "green" activities for needful employment, is abused in this. The cost now is &lt;a href="http://www.econtc.com/classes/weatherization_winter_2012_mhcc.pdf"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;$2995&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; for forty hours of dreadful misguidance, paid always by our federal or state tax dollars in some foolish grant. Some of the "BPI Certified" wannajobs do find work, in the abuse of home owners.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;BPI certification and resolve to do weatherization "performance-based" are prerequisite of contractors who align with Clean Energy Works Oregon, CEWO, the only hope in Oregon for home owners who NEED the up-front financing of work that was promised in Oregon's HB2626 of 2009, feather in the cap of Rep. Jules Bailey, and should-be pride to the State of Oregon, &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/04/moving-s1574-hyperlinked-explanation.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;that surpasses our first-in-USA Bottle Bill&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. CEWO takes taxpayer money justified by HB2626, and hands it out in big piles, usually to those with no need, and always with spillage to the privileged play-along contractors. I do better work always, than any of those on the take. My customers are never punished where I am not in the program, but very often my bids fail because work is not affordable. People just stay cold in Winter, with loss of productivity and consequence to health.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I think such status-quo inaction with weatherization is common. Federal stimulus money never made it out, thanks to &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/bpi-flu.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;BPI greed in trying to rig programs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Oregon might yet lead the nation in weatherization, not subvert it through influence of Bonneville Power Administration, silly creator of Home Performance With Energy Star. Really finding the public financing, and sending it where it really is needed, is key. For this, we need our State Bank. Every state might need a similar bank. We need to see weatherization and home preservation in general, as suitable investments in a State Bank portfolio. Portland might move the ball some, in wise selection of its next mayor.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-4177069845057184723?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/4177069845057184723/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=4177069845057184723' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4177069845057184723'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4177069845057184723'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2012/01/weatherization-and-state-bank-in.html' title='Weatherization and a State Bank, in a Mayoral Race'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-53654043641986363</id><published>2012-01-15T17:55:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-17T12:23:08.449-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Dimmers Tested With CE T91/ LSGC Glimpse LED Plate Light</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Please see a report of dimmers found in my tests, to be compatible with LED plate lights sold as Commercial Electric, Model T91, and as &lt;a href="http://investor.lsgc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=605358"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Lighting Science Group, Model Glimpse&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. All function as expected, with similar luminaire hum that is quite acceptable to my ears. Many require range adjustment by a dial, to suit user preference for degree of dimming.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;The report of my dimmer testing is visible by the following link, at Google Docs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&amp;amp;pid=explorer&amp;amp;chrome=true&amp;amp;srcid=0Byj-qncyomXmNzM4NjJhNDUtZTNiZi00NGQzLTk0MWQtMTQwMjU5MDc3ZDhj&amp;amp;hl=en_US"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&amp;amp;pid=explorer&amp;amp;chrome=true&amp;amp;srcid=0Byj-qncyomXmNzM4NjJhNDUtZTNiZi00NGQzLTk0MWQtMTQwMjU5MDc3ZDhj&amp;amp;hl=en_US&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Compatibility is noted vs. lighting manufacturer claims:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lsgc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/GLM_9_20_11.pdf"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;http://www.lsgc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/GLM_9_20_11.pdf&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Many dimmers listed here are not readily found on store shelves. Better availability will be found online at Lowe's or Home Depot. One interesting observation in the LSGC list is Lutron Model TG-603PG. That dimmer is stamped "For Permanent Incandescent Fixtures Only." This labeling contributes to my tested belief that most dimmers tried, will work. One may choose for style and function with confidence, certainly where packaging states LED compatibility.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;I persist in this to avoid disparagement of LED lights in comments to prior blog posts. I have yet to find a dimmer that does not work as expected with Glimpse luminaires. Our attitudes will matter in a campaign to no longer use can lights in an attic floor. We must not think they will fail in dimming. I believe reports otherwise are from not finding and setting the dimming range adjustment, or from wiring error in a 3-way circuit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Attic can lights should be avoided in all new construction. &lt;a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/108533770292578040917/LEDDiskLightsReplaceCanLights#5675982683945840530"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;A leaky, perhaps non-IC can light&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, should be &lt;a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/108533770292578040917/LEDDiskLightsReplaceCanLights#"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;replaced with a junction box and an LED plate light&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. We must get rid of &lt;a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/108533770292578040917/LEDDiskLightsReplaceCanLights#5698072563199081026"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;all weatherization instructions that allow leaky non-IC can lights to remain&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, where work is supported with rebates.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-53654043641986363?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/53654043641986363/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=53654043641986363' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/53654043641986363'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/53654043641986363'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2012/01/dimmers-tested-with-ce-t91-lsgc-glimpse.html' title='Dimmers Tested With CE T91/ LSGC Glimpse LED Plate Light'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2619219192249962920</id><published>2011-12-30T06:54:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-12T04:28:13.099-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Q &amp; A: Attic Walls</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;At the dawn of 2012, my web pages are drawing sometimes-daily email questions. I am resolved that these will be addressed publicly. This will be more-productive use of my time, and will justify more-thorough answers. Others may pitch in through comments, to contradict or add to the discussion. This exercise of the free resources of Google, will have interesting differences from a bulletin board, and from a web site forum such as the &lt;a href="http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/qa"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Q and A at greenbuildingadvisor.com&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Let's see how Blogger serves us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;I am asked:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;In my unheated attached garage there is old fiberglass insulation with kraft paper on both sides in a gable wall that joins the house and garage. &amp;nbsp; In the room in the house where this wall shares, the wall and the room feel cold during the winter. I would like to update and improve this wall's insulation and prevent wind washing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;How would you suggest I make this improvement?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;This photo is included:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8tLh64zbs7w/TvxP8ynhCkI/AAAAAAAADa0/SiiIjWZ1WSQ/s1600/DSCN1507.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8tLh64zbs7w/TvxP8ynhCkI/AAAAAAAADa0/SiiIjWZ1WSQ/s1600/DSCN1507.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;I respond:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;To have any value, insulation must be packed against a convective surface. I'm guessing these are 2x4 frames, and insulation is R11. I have not seen this insulation marking before, and must accept your claim it has kraft facing on both sides. The hacked-off stapling tabs on the garage side might be an attempt to avoid working as a wrong-side vapor barrier. I wonder what now retains the batts. A kraft facing on the interior side would reduce wind resistance and further reduce insulation value.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;I have considered the situation under a heading "knee walls", but from now on will use the label "attic wall", for both gable walls and closet knee walls dividing attic temperature from conditioned spaces. It will be an invention, like my naming of "&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/09/sealing-attic-floor-pits.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;attic floor pits&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;", not yet in common use. Because of extreme summertime temperature differences, and because nothing prevents making attic walls thicker, they should have a better insulation requirement than walls exposed to outside temperature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;My advice is developed&amp;nbsp;in a&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/108533770292578040917/R30KneeWalls#" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Picasa Web Album&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K6ecxg_oItY/TvxMK1-TkjI/AAAAAAAADZM/fIt-OQmjKWo/s1600/IMG_1289.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K6ecxg_oItY/TvxMK1-TkjI/AAAAAAAADZM/fIt-OQmjKWo/s200/IMG_1289.JPG" width="150" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;I have applied crossing R15 batts in 2x4 walls, with added horizontal 2x3 framing. After joist thermal shorting, each layer contributes about R11. I believe there is some added benefit in framing being full-depth only at crossings.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt; I show simple payback with the crossing batts, in &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&amp;amp;pid=explorer&amp;amp;chrome=true&amp;amp;srcid=0Byj-qncyomXmNGVkZDM1ZjctZDk4OC00Mzg1LWI4MzktNjI1NzUyNjBjYjY5&amp;amp;hl=en_US"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;three or four years&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. With space, have even more insulation. Construction in a gable or knee wall remodel could be difficult with added lumber heavier than 2x3.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;Where there might be incentives for the better insulation, there should be no limit upon found conditions. In my area, a rebate is offered here in going to prescribed R15, only if found conditions are&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;R4, or&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;poorer. That is, R4.5 should be left as-is. And what would R4.5 be? It might be decent batts out of contact with the drywall, as in the photo with the question. In that case, improving the base layer would only cost less. Payback in &amp;nbsp;improvement to R22 would be faster. It's the end condition, and the savings, that matter.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;Please see also, development of this topic at my &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/r30-knee-wall"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;web site&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2619219192249962920?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2619219192249962920/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2619219192249962920' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2619219192249962920'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2619219192249962920'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/12/q-r30-knee-walls.html' title='Q &amp; A: Attic Walls'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8tLh64zbs7w/TvxP8ynhCkI/AAAAAAAADa0/SiiIjWZ1WSQ/s72-c/DSCN1507.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-3123783002760122185</id><published>2011-12-02T06:37:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-12-20T09:47:42.615-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Progress With LED Plate Lights</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9R_O6bMxr5o/TsUg8f4IIWI/AAAAAAAADSU/WaqkXzl7fYA/s1600/IMG_4231.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9R_O6bMxr5o/TsUg8f4IIWI/AAAAAAAADSU/WaqkXzl7fYA/s320/IMG_4231.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;These "T91" lights are Home Depot store brand, Commercial Electric, only in packaging. The true origin is noted in labeling on the luminaire disk backside; &lt;a href="http://www.lsgc.com/interior/glimpse/"&gt;Lighting Science Group Corp.&lt;/a&gt;, LSG. Product Name: Glimpse.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I hope they will drive all can lights off store shelves, in all stores. The future of LED lighting of a ceiling is in flat objects. Or, perhaps still including linear objects such as LED versions of &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2HSsPMEsZM"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;T8 tube lighting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white; color: #666666; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white; color: #666666; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-3123783002760122185?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/3123783002760122185/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=3123783002760122185' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3123783002760122185'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3123783002760122185'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/12/progress-with-led-plate-lights.html' title='Progress With LED Plate Lights'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9R_O6bMxr5o/TsUg8f4IIWI/AAAAAAAADSU/WaqkXzl7fYA/s72-c/IMG_4231.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2344067648687077279</id><published>2011-11-17T07:25:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-11-18T05:53:30.632-08:00</updated><title type='text'>LED Disk Lights Replace Can Lights</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NirTgXhu6Qw/TsUf_ZX1oHI/AAAAAAAADRk/CZ4LqRZgu18/s1600/IMG_4235.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NirTgXhu6Qw/TsUf_ZX1oHI/AAAAAAAADRk/CZ4LqRZgu18/s320/IMG_4235.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Home Depot has taken the lead, in offering affordable LED lighting affecting my work in attics. I can now replace a crummy can light, where too-hot bulbs pump heat into the attic, for less than $40. Where the can was foolishly non-IC, I can finish the insulation. This will be a lot more satisfying, than just replacing the can. An IC can, with a new LED bulb, is not a better deal than the Disk Light.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_DThXtfU_iw/TsUkLavcL5I/AAAAAAAADUw/QrCcCpQLxJU/s1600/IMG_4161.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_DThXtfU_iw/TsUkLavcL5I/AAAAAAAADUw/QrCcCpQLxJU/s320/IMG_4161.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The Home Depot/ Commercial Electric T91 LED Disk Light will replace 5" and 6" cans. Even this 4" Halogen spot, that is pouring heat into an attic.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;At 750 lumens, the T91 will need dimming in many situations. Dimmed to 10%, drawing 1.5 watts, it is a beautiful night light.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Please read more, in a Picasa Web Albums Slideshow:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/108533770292578040917/LEDDiskLightsReplaceCanLights"&gt;https://picasaweb.google.com/108533770292578040917/LEDDiskLightsReplaceCanLights&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The preferred installation has replacement of a can, with a 4" junction box.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2344067648687077279?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2344067648687077279/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2344067648687077279' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2344067648687077279'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2344067648687077279'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/11/led-disk-lights-replace-can-lights.html' title='LED Disk Lights Replace Can Lights'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NirTgXhu6Qw/TsUf_ZX1oHI/AAAAAAAADRk/CZ4LqRZgu18/s72-c/IMG_4235.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-9124128458111661455</id><published>2011-11-12T09:08:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-11-12T09:08:06.897-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Mouse Habitat</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Kraft-faced insulation in an attic floor allows a constellation of mouse houses.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A5LH0U4hMPI/Tr6jTZKPJqI/AAAAAAAADRE/N5ntXkZM-aQ/s1600/IMG_2432_crop.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="233" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A5LH0U4hMPI/Tr6jTZKPJqI/AAAAAAAADRE/N5ntXkZM-aQ/s400/IMG_2432_crop.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;They love the alleys from on-flat header framing. Tighter quarters in lofts atop framing are not kept clean.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The best response to mice in-attic is habitat destruction, by removing the facing. Tightly fill all crevices with insulation fragments or batt trims. The facing here always did more harm than good. Smooth facing has less wind resistance, than tufty unfaced batts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I advocate elimination of all kraft facing in new batt manufacture. Instead apply a vapor permeable air barrier facing like house wrap, as an attachment means and as &amp;nbsp;a stiller of air circulation within batts. Have as many faces as you wish in any stack. Place the face in any direction, downward in a crawl space or basement ceiling, outward on a knee wall, where the barrier serves to contain dust from human contact. I offered this idea to my favorite manufacturer, Johns Manville, in August, 2011. No response yet from JM, so let any manufacturer try it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Wrap-faced batts should not be at the base in an attic floor.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-9124128458111661455?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/9124128458111661455/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=9124128458111661455' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/9124128458111661455'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/9124128458111661455'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/11/mouse-habitat.html' title='Mouse Habitat'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A5LH0U4hMPI/Tr6jTZKPJqI/AAAAAAAADRE/N5ntXkZM-aQ/s72-c/IMG_2432_crop.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2883986140115768504</id><published>2011-11-01T06:16:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-11-03T03:43:20.717-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Angie's List For All</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;With effort, I got the four reports needed for Super Service Awards in 2011, in Insulation and in Doors categories, maintaining a demonstration of validity to me as a commentor on weatherization policies. Where but at Angie's List, can I find that public comment on my exceptional work, the "carrots" I work for, and no one could buy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;It was hard because most customers would not join, even where I showed them backdoor "deals" permitting membership at $12 per year for ten years. For anyone, not just &lt;a href="http://www.swagsaver.com/groupon-12-for-one-year-bundle-membership-to-angies-list-25-value-buffalo-only.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Groupon grabbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. And, why would one want only temporary membership? Perhaps the deals, and general power brokerage by phone staff, offend more even, than high prices. Knowing a business will take more from me than from another, by times-five or more, just for being naive, surely kills a deal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;It seems Angie's List could not go public, after all, to extract funds from unwary new investors, to repay it's then-majority owners, the existing investors:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-24/angie-s-list-raises-53-6-million-in-private-share-offering.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;March, 2011&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: $53.6 million, various investors including T. Rowe Price.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ibj.com/angies-list-snags-225-million-investment/PARAMS/article/22386"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;September, 2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;$22.5 million, investors including Milwaukee's Wasatch Funds.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=32816"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;December, 2008:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;$6 million, Prizm Mezzanine Fund, Chicago.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/10/angies-list-gets-35-million-in-new-investment-from-battery/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;April, 2008&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: $35 million, Battery Ventures&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The total from fund investors is nearing $200 million. Can't find that list seen recently. The nature of non-public ownership is evident in &lt;a href="http://baltimore.citybizlist.com/1/2011/8/25/T.-Rowe-Price-Holds-9.8-of-Angie%E2%80%99s-List--cbl.aspx"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;this comment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; on T. Rowe Price ownership. Say the borrowing is $200 million, and T. Rowe Price has 9.8% ownership at 601,174 shares (then of 6.13 million shares outstanding). That's an investor price of $33 per share. A share price has meaning only when the public is let in. And then, wouldn't the investors get protection in the IPO, with more share leverage. I don't know how it works, but know the public loses in an IPO.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Angie's List is in truth, the collective intelligence of it's reporting members, including me. We are being sold out for foolish, can't last, greedy investment in Wall Street, like everything else. We can resist, by asking that Angie's list never go public, but instead repay investors through income vitality. I think Angie's List could, should, must, have at least twenty million paying members. Then, even at just $12 per year per member, there would be hope the debt could be repaid. At average $30 per year, times twenty million, The List would prosper. This is my dream, and long-standing shunned-rudely proposal: Perhaps half, including new members would be Honored members, paying $20 per year. Those who don't care to actively participate, might not resist the ordinary $40 per year membership. Yes, declared same prices everywhere. No more offensive deal-making.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2883986140115768504?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2883986140115768504/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2883986140115768504' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2883986140115768504'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2883986140115768504'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/11/angies-list-for-all.html' title='Angie&apos;s List For All'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-352789334267439515</id><published>2011-07-19T03:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-08-25T17:49:34.869-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Where are my Angie's List reviews?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Finding diligent, creative, honest weatherization is not easy. One way is through Angie's List. Please see a prior post on this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/01/should-we-rely-on-agencies.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/01/should-we-rely-on-agencies.html&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Getting diligent work of any kind saves energy.&amp;nbsp;In weatherization work&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;, missed opportunities of savings &amp;nbsp;of blow-and-go competitors, is more entropy than benefit. It is so hard to go back and do right, where largest opportunities of savings have been sabotaged through burial, or where access is denied for achievement of attic ventilation or other repairs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I work largely for the credibility of reports volunteered by my Angie's List customers. My work continues to be always-improving. Yet, I see that I must prod my few customers who are members, to retain status of Super Service for 2011. Angie's List has a &lt;a href="http://company.angieslist.com/Visitor/Tools/ReportGeneration.aspx"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Fetch Program&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;that I will try. I do not ask for reviews, and want to not know which customers are members, such that I might favor them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Now I see that Angie's List is trying a new approach to stay afloat with its high-price-strategy in hard times. It is in hock over $100 million to investors. The investors may get their money back from unwary buyers of stock, going public in an &lt;a href="http://boston.citybizlist.com/7/2011/6/19/Battery-Ventures-Portfolio-Company-Angie%E2%80%99s-List-Plans-August-IPO.aspx"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;IPO&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;! If they continue to need investor money to advertise and operate, how can they be worth $1 billion?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-352789334267439515?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/352789334267439515/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=352789334267439515' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/352789334267439515'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/352789334267439515'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/07/where-are-my-angies-list-reviews.html' title='Where are my Angie&apos;s List reviews?'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-3915726257211186821</id><published>2011-06-06T10:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-07-11T08:06:27.948-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Vermiculite Removal</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TjLO3LLyz14/TexPAUnwyeI/AAAAAAAAC5A/A4-CSwgGKX4/s1600/IMG_3375_crop.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TjLO3LLyz14/TexPAUnwyeI/AAAAAAAAC5A/A4-CSwgGKX4/s320/IMG_3375_crop.JPG" width="282" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;A recently-purchased 1910 farm house had no access to attics, and cause to not trust hidden weatherization and wiring. A first attempt of access through the floor found tough shiplap sheathing, and rain of vermiculite within a dust-containment barrier. That vermiculite, diluted in drywall dust, was tested and tentatively found to have less than 1% asbestos content.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;This temporary access was then cut through a low wall, and an excessive dozen vermiculite &amp;nbsp;samples were collected in a mapped circuit of the attic. An area of 300 sf was found to have vermiculite depth 2" or less, and repair needs via a good drop-down ladder were found. Four samples were tested, and all were found to have&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;less than 1% asbestos content.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hq7sJ9dPv4Q/TexPWtKeoPI/AAAAAAAAC5Y/UjDcblsZQRU/s1600/IMG_3382.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hq7sJ9dPv4Q/TexPWtKeoPI/AAAAAAAAC5Y/UjDcblsZQRU/s320/IMG_3382.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;To me, the 13" by 14" opening was sufficient for many further entries. It passed the 55-gallon drum liners that would collect the vermiculite and the usual roof debris. For any other worker, and for disposal, the planned ladder must be completed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HZAfw27hCoo/TexPPHiRT1I/AAAAAAAAC5Q/n984LXOgXKQ/s1600/IMG_3379.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HZAfw27hCoo/TexPPHiRT1I/AAAAAAAAC5Q/n984LXOgXKQ/s320/IMG_3379.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;An area was emptied and then carefully vacuumed, that would contain the ladder. Twist connected wires from a wall switch to snipped knob and tube wires are among problems that will demand professional rewiring.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I of course do not work at any time without a &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/worker-safety"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;suitable respirator&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-53jDu7BRzcw/TexPHGre_2I/AAAAAAAAC5I/zNORTbV16b4/s1600/IMG_3377.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-53jDu7BRzcw/TexPHGre_2I/AAAAAAAAC5I/zNORTbV16b4/s320/IMG_3377.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The 14' span of 2x4 joists demands strengthening to tolerate any load in addition to the weight of shiplap and 1/4" drywall, and to allow a cut joist. I therefore must empty and clean the attic all the way across, and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;bridge out a minimum of interfering knob and tube wires&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z1CsBqzJxCs/TexPTUbnQWI/AAAAAAAAC5U/yJsUMfcn43o/s1600/IMG_3380.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z1CsBqzJxCs/TexPTUbnQWI/AAAAAAAAC5U/yJsUMfcn43o/s320/IMG_3380.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Beyond the vermiculite, note poor sealing of balloon-frame outside walls by stapled foil-faced insulation. The floor was reasonably-well insulated, but an enabled energy audit will find important work needed in-attic, to insulate outside walls.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FCCOnLGFCAA/TexRMboPVzI/AAAAAAAAC6Y/vsIJjNVyfTI/s1600/IMG_3421.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FCCOnLGFCAA/TexRMboPVzI/AAAAAAAAC6Y/vsIJjNVyfTI/s320/IMG_3421.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;My dual-filter Porter Cable 7812 vacuum has 99.85% filtration efficiency. It was resident outside the attic, until the ladder was in. Then I mostly worked with the ladder door closed behind me. I will edit this post to address things I did wrong.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c2qJzK0aeHs/TexRXGNP8bI/AAAAAAAAC6k/QnTPCTWc85s/s1600/IMG_3423.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c2qJzK0aeHs/TexRXGNP8bI/AAAAAAAAC6k/QnTPCTWc85s/s320/IMG_3423.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Jump ahead here, to a condition after debris has been carried down the new ladder. The floor is extremely rigid, far stronger than found, with framing in-effect 2x10 select fir. 9" strips of CDX plywood wall-to-wall are attached to the 14' found joists and to 13' 4" added 2x4's leveled to hold plywood flooring. Deck screws at 6" intervals make the attachment. The assembly locks a sag of nearly an inch at mid-span of the floor joists. At a stopped condition for electrical service, all floor area is again insulated, with R8 fiberglass batts minimum.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3IjtcRV03I0/TexQehYLmJI/AAAAAAAAC58/QhGpBPAk57o/s1600/IMG_3414.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3IjtcRV03I0/TexQehYLmJI/AAAAAAAAC58/QhGpBPAk57o/s320/IMG_3414.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I like the disposal policy in metro Portland, Oregon, where vermiculite tested at under 1% asbestos, may be disposed as trash, at the Oregon City transfer station. Vermiculite at greater than 1% asbestos would have been handled by a licensed abatement contractor, with disposal at the adjacent hazardous-materials facility.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JFIzl7c9g4s/TexQoZpvyTI/AAAAAAAAC6A/bhe9y5S7_-4/s1600/IMG_3415.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JFIzl7c9g4s/TexQoZpvyTI/AAAAAAAAC6A/bhe9y5S7_-4/s320/IMG_3415.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;200 gallons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;A trash hauler might be arm-twisted to accept this. I doubt it. Placing it in a drop-box dumpster would have to be approved, and might raise concern and refusal in further handling.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tCVSx2Uxdaw/TexQvjqjHjI/AAAAAAAAC6E/be4Tx-qcDxs/s1600/IMG_3417_crop.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="235" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tCVSx2Uxdaw/TexQvjqjHjI/AAAAAAAAC6E/be4Tx-qcDxs/s320/IMG_3417_crop.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Thoroughly wetting the vermiculite will reduce concerns on the further path to an Eastern Oregon landfill. I understand that vermiculite holds water. Much effort is needed to dry wet test specimens.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I will feel less bad about my contribution, than should disposers of bulk, where there has been no step of recycling.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I ask that Portland's&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.oregonmetro.gov/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Metro&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; add receiving requirements for vermiculite, as "special waste." The application for this costs $25, and I think that is fair. Dock workers should not accept my unsubstantiated word, and they do not have means of recording permissions. In this case, special waste might have special handling: the wet-down requirement.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I was prepared here with a blank application, but wanted to experience the permitted procedure, and was happy to save my customer the $25.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1gPb7M_BG0g/TexVaV7ajhI/AAAAAAAAC7E/wVfRqNSXv4I/s1600/IMG_3418.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1gPb7M_BG0g/TexVaV7ajhI/AAAAAAAAC7E/wVfRqNSXv4I/s320/IMG_3418.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Back at the job site, others will appreciate the wonderful &lt;a href="http://www.calvertstairs.com/id50.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Calvert attic ladder&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. It is Model 1028, with 28" x 48" rough opening. It includes my first try of the &lt;a href="http://www.calvertstairs.com/id107.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;optional insulation panel to R14&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-3915726257211186821?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/3915726257211186821/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=3915726257211186821' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3915726257211186821'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3915726257211186821'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/06/vermiculite-removal.html' title='Vermiculite Removal'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TjLO3LLyz14/TexPAUnwyeI/AAAAAAAAC5A/A4-CSwgGKX4/s72-c/IMG_3375_crop.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6966984888755167771</id><published>2011-04-09T18:12:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-09T19:09:55.025-07:00</updated><title type='text'>More Floor Sealing Examples</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Again, please go to this web page:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/pdf-offerings"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/pdf-offerings&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here please &amp;nbsp;pick the document posted 4/9/2011, titled &lt;b&gt;Floor Sealing&lt;/b&gt;. The pearl here is insight to the installation of a GE microwave oven with kitchen vent feature.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Both posts this date invite comment to a blog. If you find the read worthwhile, please say so.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6966984888755167771?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6966984888755167771/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6966984888755167771' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6966984888755167771'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6966984888755167771'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/04/more-floor-sealing-examples.html' title='More Floor Sealing Examples'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-9171483452936445646</id><published>2011-04-09T18:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-09T19:07:00.653-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Better Bath Fan Installation</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Two lengthy dissertations will be presented, if one bothers to follow the links to a web site, where content is in pdf documents. Please trust that many will find useful discovery. In this post, I link to Panasonic bath fan installations, which include a better way to construct through-roof vents.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Please go to:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #20124d; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/pdf-offerings"&gt;https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/pdf-offerings&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Please pick document posted 4/9/2011, &lt;b&gt;Replace Bath Fan&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;This parallels a blog posting and link to a Picasa Web Albums slide show:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #20124d; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://productinstallationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/03/panasonic-fv-11vq5-bath-fan.html"&gt;http://productinstallationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/03/panasonic-fv-11vq5-bath-fan.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-9171483452936445646?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/9171483452936445646/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=9171483452936445646' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/9171483452936445646'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/9171483452936445646'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/04/better-attic-fan-installation.html' title='Better Bath Fan Installation'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-8022806682614417113</id><published>2011-04-03T19:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-06T05:24:23.371-07:00</updated><title type='text'>New Construction Knee Walls</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;This home built year-2000 has garage roof trusses rising to second-sto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;ry roof level. It gives contrast to thoughtles&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;s knee wall constructi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;on where insulation was an afterthoug&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;ht. The wall shell is closed with tightly-fi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;t 1/2" OSB. (The second-floor ceiling and attic floor, still with insulation pour on drywall, remains thoughtless and dangerous in such grand new housing. I head toward hard-shell covering of attic floors too. Insulation may stay at rest against gravity. Heat and misstepping persons, do not.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YPfeGNTBW1A/TZkj8LjdlpI/AAAAAAAACyQ/wI2N3NBoFcs/s1600/IMG_3116.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="300" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YPfeGNTBW1A/TZkj8LjdlpI/AAAAAAAACyQ/wI2N3NBoFcs/s400/IMG_3116.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;The OSB shell was planned for in the design of trusses. I presume 2x6@24" joist bays are over-filled with R21 batts opposite the OSB.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1uInx0gWdEw/TZkkCTMmgPI/AAAAAAAACyU/1ZI_1D0JlgU/s1600/IMG_3117_crop.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="400" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1uInx0gWdEw/TZkkCTMmgPI/AAAAAAAACyU/1ZI_1D0JlgU/s400/IMG_3117_crop.JPG" width="388" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" 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class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;This fits checklist, FRAMING Critical Details, www.northwestenergystar.com: "All knee walls are backed with a rigid material or other supporting material (e.g. wall to attic, skylight shaft, wall to porch roof, staircase to attic) (Thermal Bypass Checklist, Items 2.3. 2.4, 2.5).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;This example conflicts with &lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/weatherization/walls/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Energy Trust of Oregon Weatherization Specifications for existing homes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, where no exterior wall is required, and in its place is called: WA 1.5—Open Wall Open walls that separate conditioned from unconditioned space, such as in garages that face a conditioned space, shall be sealed for air leakage, insulated to a minimum of R-15 (or the cavity must be filled), and covered with a vapor permeable air barrier to limit human contact - - -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;It is NOT about human contact, but only the overfill and retention of insulation. An outside barrier that can not pressurize contained insulation, has no value. I am distressed that contractors in Oregon are compelled to place house wrap in this application. There instead should be movement toward complete hard containment, as in new houses.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;Better than this simple hard containment, recognize too there may be insulation opportunities with crossing layers, achievable from the "back" side. A framer of a new house might not fathom the needs of an insulation installer. OSB pre-applied as in photos above, will have difficult application to better &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/"&gt;insulation of skylights&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-8022806682614417113?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/8022806682614417113/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=8022806682614417113' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8022806682614417113'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8022806682614417113'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/04/new-construction-knee-walls.html' title='New Construction Knee Walls'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YPfeGNTBW1A/TZkj8LjdlpI/AAAAAAAACyQ/wI2N3NBoFcs/s72-c/IMG_3116.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-7027051971779085024</id><published>2011-03-20T20:11:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-05-24T07:43:09.375-07:00</updated><title type='text'>55-Gallon Drum Liners, Again</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;This builds upon a post of April, 2008:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2008/04/distributing-or-hauling-out-loose-fill.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;energyconservationhowto.&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;blogspot.com/2008/04/&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;distributing-or-hauling-out-&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;loose-fill.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;They aren't just for hauling trash, and distributing insulation.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here, I needed to bag insulation, to drag it past a tight obstruction. I could drag three 24"x48" R30 batts in each transit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mdfJ4YshXbY/TYa-umKWHrI/AAAAAAAACxM/tS9yasmfUuQ/s1600/IMG_2558.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="300" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mdfJ4YshXbY/TYa-umKWHrI/AAAAAAAACxM/tS9yasmfUuQ/s400/IMG_2558.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Qhd6qdddZDo/TYa_CdGW_OI/AAAAAAAACxU/fbwKqHBokAA/s1600/IMG_2565.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="300" src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Qhd6qdddZDo/TYa_CdGW_OI/AAAAAAAACxU/fbwKqHBokAA/s400/IMG_2565.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here a messy bed of R19 cellulose interfered with provision of storage in an attic. Things dropped from a deck, into loose-fill insulation, are lost. The central half of the attic floor was cleared into drum liners. Cellulose depth at the periphery would then be doubled, in an upgrade of the attic to R38, adding only batts under decks.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q75uR5RN9dw/TYa9EimkHoI/AAAAAAAACw4/vgJ1ric2kuA/s1600/IMG_2880.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="400" src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q75uR5RN9dw/TYa9EimkHoI/AAAAAAAACw4/vgJ1ric2kuA/s400/IMG_2880.JPG" width="300" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;More area at the periphery was tossed clean of cellulose to repair deficient floor sealing, and bare areas were then refilled from the drum liners.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3EQPYxhdVes/TYa9wuBE7HI/AAAAAAAACxA/SnT_haoYYBs/s1600/IMG_3035_crop.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="400" src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3EQPYxhdVes/TYa9wuBE7HI/AAAAAAAACxA/SnT_haoYYBs/s400/IMG_3035_crop.JPG" width="270" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jrFKt2MZ52U/TYa9894t4lI/AAAAAAAACxE/l8wSh02hFU8/s1600/IMG_3037.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="300" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jrFKt2MZ52U/TYa9894t4lI/AAAAAAAACxE/l8wSh02hFU8/s400/IMG_3037.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The air duct in the photos above is the supply&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;to a Heatilator gas fireplace,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;added after house constructio. The duct was thoughtlessly placed at a soffit vent, with removal of a vent baffle. With displaced cellulose, the baffle was reset, now using 2x4 blocks instead of just tapping in nails. It was interesting in this young house, to see confirmation of some of my ideas for older homes. Baffles should be &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/06/plywood-baffles.html"&gt;plywood&lt;/a&gt;. Never cardboard or polystyrene. Kneewall closet walls are solidly clad outside with &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/r30-knee-wall"&gt;plywood&lt;/a&gt; or with OSB sheathing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RM7h7ZpOBD8/TYa9YZq9p3I/AAAAAAAACw8/u6KIC6Xb_tM/s1600/IMG_3036.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="300" src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RM7h7ZpOBD8/TYa9YZq9p3I/AAAAAAAACw8/u6KIC6Xb_tM/s400/IMG_3036.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-7027051971779085024?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/7027051971779085024/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=7027051971779085024' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7027051971779085024'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7027051971779085024'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/03/55-gallon-drum-liners-again.html' title='55-Gallon Drum Liners, Again'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mdfJ4YshXbY/TYa-umKWHrI/AAAAAAAACxM/tS9yasmfUuQ/s72-c/IMG_2558.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-3469541587029906159</id><published>2011-03-15T11:26:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-03-15T11:28:27.102-07:00</updated><title type='text'>More Skylight Insulation</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UwER-h83cdA/TX-naPzC6TI/AAAAAAAACqI/2qHkHMimZ5c/s1600/IMG_3038.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UwER-h83cdA/TX-naPzC6TI/AAAAAAAACqI/2qHkHMimZ5c/s320/IMG_3038.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LuMgPW3hro0/TX-n89rZ0AI/AAAAAAAACqQ/sad4s98JlfQ/s1600/IMG_3043.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LuMgPW3hro0/TX-n89rZ0AI/AAAAAAAACqQ/sad4s98JlfQ/s320/IMG_3043.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SakTC9DpzVI/TX-pOzMFJkI/AAAAAAAACqs/lFhZTGA_vmg/s1600/IMG_3057.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SakTC9DpzVI/TX-pOzMFJkI/AAAAAAAACqs/lFhZTGA_vmg/s320/IMG_3057.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; color: black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tekRQIPb840/TX-oysXbqHI/AAAAAAAACqk/X2lIiZawwbQ/s1600/IMG_3065.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tekRQIPb840/TX-oysXbqHI/AAAAAAAACqk/X2lIiZawwbQ/s320/IMG_3065.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;This skylight had about 25% effectiveness of applied R21 kraft-faced insulation. We must learn to do better. Place base insulation intimate with drywall, and then retain a thicker outer wrap.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;For better presentation of these photos, please refer to the supporting posts to Picasa Web Albums:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/pjnorman/EverBetterSkylightInsulation#"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;https://picasaweb.google.com/pjnorman/EverBetterSkylightInsulation#&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-3469541587029906159?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/3469541587029906159/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=3469541587029906159' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3469541587029906159'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3469541587029906159'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/03/more-skylight-insulation.html' title='More Skylight Insulation'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UwER-h83cdA/TX-naPzC6TI/AAAAAAAACqI/2qHkHMimZ5c/s72-c/IMG_3038.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6314111471160530598</id><published>2011-01-29T11:36:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2011-01-29T11:37:50.433-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Roof Cross Braces</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Getting around in an attic is sometimes made difficult by &lt;b&gt;head bangers&lt;/b&gt;, there for uncertain reasons. The function of ties under a roof peak, between roof joists, is to resist uplift and ruin of a roof, in storm conditions. Some will think the purpose of ties is as found in code requirement of collar ties not more than one third distant from tops of walls, to the roof peak, to hold walls in absence of ceiling joists. Collar ties will have little relevance to residential construction.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here is a &lt;a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/pjnorman/PhotosCrossBraces?authkey=Gv1sRgCPH8rO-zu5X5xwE#"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;slide show&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; review of the problem, and some solutions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here is another view of the solutions, in a &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/roof-cross-braces"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;web page&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6314111471160530598?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6314111471160530598/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6314111471160530598' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6314111471160530598'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6314111471160530598'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/01/roof-cross-braces.html' title='Roof Cross Braces'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-8248012440064045651</id><published>2011-01-28T06:52:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-08-22T09:18:23.199-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Should We Rely On "Agencies"?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The last post suggests reliance on "agencies" to achieve good, honest work in weatherization. I don't think that is the way.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Public display of customer reports might work. We might all belong to an affordable and more-informative Angie's List. With diligent reporting of satisfaction, or being wronged, a careful home owner could intelligently choose honest workers and consensus best practices. I have tried to influence Angie's List to entice fuller membership through low pricing, and reward of responsible participation. Suggestions include a Honored Member status, earning half-price annual fees, at not more than $20 per year. All new members are Honored Members, helping them over a barrier of uncertainty, where one must pay first, to see the value. Honored Member status is retained by responsible participation, say a combined number of five, in posted reports and referred new members. With five years of Honored Member status, it becomes permanent. I want Angie's List to succeed in this way, and welcome customer reports on my work. Good work, reported, is my investment in advertising.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Another solution is having self-maintained records of work well done. I imagine &amp;nbsp;Google-like companies (several) setting up data warehouses, where the condition of our homes is a public record. Things that matter to society get recorded. Measures taken for energy efficiency are for the common good, and are included. Posting is voluntary, with rewards. The public record is a basis for home valuation at resale, and for more-favorable taxes and mortgage interest rates.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-8248012440064045651?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/8248012440064045651/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=8248012440064045651' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8248012440064045651'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8248012440064045651'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/01/should-we-rely-on-agencies.html' title='Should We Rely On &quot;Agencies&quot;?'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2255143746941665831</id><published>2011-01-23T21:10:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-02-09T05:23:06.623-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Why Cheat With Attic Insulation?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I will always do what it takes to not bury savings opportunities, or hazards, under insulation in attics. Every job needs at least minimal walkways, to guard against step-through where safe footing becomes hidden. Any footing, buried or not, must be screwed down, as trick footing is far more dangerous than none. Access will happen in every attic, and that must not trash insulation. Accessibility for inspection must be required.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;There must be no open floor pits, or insulation voids, as complained of in the previous posts, and comprising missed savings opportunities.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Every hidden diligence measure with significant cost and savings must be recorded with photographic proof, sparing inspectors of dangerous or impossible tasks.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Why not cheat, when there is low probability of inspection, or a declared policy of permission, that things like "air sealing" are not required. and there are no rules against voids. Voids predictably occur with blown insulation, under or in the lee of lumber and ducts. Voids occur where batts are ill-fit, or are carelessly placed over joist bays that are not full of insulation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;While cheating is permitted, many contractors will feel compelled to participate, for survival. They will offer the excuse that no one has taught them, or commanded them, to do right. One listed on the New York Stock Exchange will do it, perhaps leading the way, on behalf of detached investors. Much of the easiest energy savings in homes will be left undone, for many more years to come. We should not blame only the compromising or dishonest contractors for this. Agencies that will not use their heft for best results, will be largely to blame.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2255143746941665831?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2255143746941665831/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2255143746941665831' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2255143746941665831'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2255143746941665831'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-cheat-with-attic-insulation.html' title='Why Cheat With Attic Insulation?'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-1859933166964280244</id><published>2011-01-23T20:58:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-02-09T05:24:28.867-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Booby Trapped</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTzZ0q9jVAI/AAAAAAAACmg/ZexWRlF950c/s1600/IMG_2246.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTzZ0q9jVAI/AAAAAAAACmg/ZexWRlF950c/s320/IMG_2246.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTzYTjvDMEI/AAAAAAAACmg/Pj_MkwblpDI/s1600/IMG_2250.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="480" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTzYTjvDMEI/AAAAAAAACmg/Pj_MkwblpDI/s640/IMG_2250.JPG" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;How would one know that all of this insulation by the honored, unnamed competitor, missed sixty percent of the energy savings society wishes? An inspector will not justify risks in the dangerous darkness, or have the time, to find the buried crimes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here is approximate math on the missed savings, as a graphical summary, for conduction/ convection through the attic floor:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TT0BZsU8pTI/AAAAAAAACmg/NgIQcwREIPE/s1600/Costs+at+three+stages.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="638" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TT0BZsU8pTI/AAAAAAAACmg/NgIQcwREIPE/s640/Costs+at+three+stages.jpg" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;A sea of poorly-placed insulation would have saved about $130 per year, while correctly placing the same insulation will save a total of $200 per year. The missed savings of $70 per year are less important than those related to diligence, sealing the attic floor. Closing a plumbing vent chase floor pit that exposed 150 sf of walls on three floors, will save $120 per year. The negligent work would have achieved a total $130 per year, only forty percent of the achievable $320 per year, with the same added insulation. Where the installed cost of insulation is only about $800, the savings neglected were hugely significant.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-1859933166964280244?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/1859933166964280244/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=1859933166964280244' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1859933166964280244'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1859933166964280244'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/01/booby-trapped.html' title='Booby Trapped'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTzZ0q9jVAI/AAAAAAAACmg/ZexWRlF950c/s72-c/IMG_2246.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-8808868168610452135</id><published>2011-01-18T05:43:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-02-09T05:28:13.125-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Dissing of Diligence</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Complaint of a dissing of diligence, in the prior post, had a specific basis.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;A large and honored competitor, seemingly gets away with complete disregard of diligence, and outright fraud.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKWjv4MOI/AAAAAAAACmg/AFCGvFLZiTA/s1600/IMG_2423.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKWjv4MOI/AAAAAAAACmg/AFCGvFLZiTA/s320/IMG_2423.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;All found trash, and anything they drop, is left for burial. Unfilled joists are left as voids, cancelling the value of covering insulation over at least 25% of the space. Since insulation matters mainly where there was none, added insulation (that I had to pile elsewhere) was almost entirely wasted.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The fraud was in having a contract to seal the floor pits (wiring holes and any open chases), not doing that work or faking it, and accepting payment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKXOyMjeI/AAAAAAAACmg/67s6nWh7NA0/s1600/IMG_2428.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKXOyMjeI/AAAAAAAACmg/67s6nWh7NA0/s320/IMG_2428.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;This is a first look at the meanest failure to seal, at the main plumbing vent. This kind of situation exists in most attics, and will be well-known to the worker. A glob in a spot is of no use. The worker is apparently instructed that sealing is expenditure of one can of an inappropriate foam. When it is empty, you're done.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP39GujjI/AAAAAAAACmg/aLNSG3UbLZ0/s1600/IMG_2425.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP39GujjI/AAAAAAAACmg/aLNSG3UbLZ0/s320/IMG_2425.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The scheduler, and management, knew I would overturn their work to install an attic ladder, new bath fan, decking and more, out of sequence, after they were done. Despite this, workers wasted foam all over the dirty insulation around the fan, accomplishing nothing.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I got to see work not prettied by exceptional effort.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP5HVmR_I/AAAAAAAACmg/B3yqE-VxkKk/s1600/IMG_2275.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP5HVmR_I/AAAAAAAACmg/B3yqE-VxkKk/s320/IMG_2275.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Spaghetti noodles decorated electrical junction boxes buried under insulation, and about 10% of the wiring penetrations over walls, expending the rest of the can.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP5HVmR_I/AAAAAAAACiY/NEQkSyx8iGE/s1600/IMG_2275.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; color: black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP4PpZ69I/AAAAAAAACmg/B2ubtWJN-ow/s1600/IMG_2434.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP4PpZ69I/AAAAAAAACmg/B2ubtWJN-ow/s320/IMG_2434.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP4j8RdcI/AAAAAAAACmg/VDtkM3bQNok/s1600/IMG_2435.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWP4j8RdcI/AAAAAAAACmg/VDtkM3bQNok/s320/IMG_2435.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The dry spaghetti didn't wet or seal, anything. The worker did not supply that can, or choose what to do with it. This must happen in every home "served" by this competitor.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKXvxpSKI/AAAAAAAACmg/e91xRLLhMB4/s1600/IMG_2449.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKXvxpSKI/AAAAAAAACmg/e91xRLLhMB4/s320/IMG_2449.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here is the full extent of the opening at the important pit, going down three floors, and exposing 100 sq ft of interior walls to attic temperature. The waste of savings would have exceeded all savings from properly placed floor insulation. for years to come.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKX9TYL4I/AAAAAAAACmg/lbPJM0s2G_M/s1600/IMG_2508.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKX9TYL4I/AAAAAAAACmg/lbPJM0s2G_M/s320/IMG_2508.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here is proper closure of the plumbing chase.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWVJqd5sbI/AAAAAAAACmg/KE4QBz8szb0/s1600/IMG_2524.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTWVJqd5sbI/AAAAAAAACmg/KE4QBz8szb0/s320/IMG_2524.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here is proper sealing of floor penetrations for wiring, with stuffed insulation, and flexible grout.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-8808868168610452135?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/8808868168610452135/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=8808868168610452135' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8808868168610452135'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8808868168610452135'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2011/01/dissing-of-diligence.html' title='Dissing of Diligence'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TTOKWjv4MOI/AAAAAAAACmg/AFCGvFLZiTA/s72-c/IMG_2423.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-565432919004079356</id><published>2010-12-15T17:07:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-12-16T17:57:26.278-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Excellence Is Better Value</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here is one "before" picture of the job in the previous post:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TQlWgVQfBeI/AAAAAAAACeA/nSbVM-74HVU/s1600/IMG_2031.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="300" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TQlWgVQfBeI/AAAAAAAACeA/nSbVM-74HVU/s400/IMG_2031.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The effective insulation value of settled cellulose in 2x6 joists is about R11. Improvement to R38 with high-quality batts, will give modest savings, with annual heat cost dropping from $136 per year, to $46 per year. $90 per year savings, so far.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Dark, dangerous and dirty conditions invite inferior service of a home.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;All wiring of ceiling fixtures in this home needed replacement, perhaps from excuse the work up there had been so awful. Several wires for added fixtures were merely wrapped onto nearby conductors, stripped. No fire yet, but such contact must degrade with time. Despite now-excellent access, electricians charged as much for the few hours of fixing wiring, as I charged for all insulation labor and materials. But, how do you value a home saved from fire? Yes, this diligence pays.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Other diligence, enabled by cheerful access, will be the major savings, at near-zero cost. 275 sq ft of wall area was exposed to attic temperature, in floor pits, two gapped bathroom wet walls, and an abandoned kitchen heater chase; now tightly sealed. One needed to toss and vacuum off cellulose, to see this. Savings: $220 per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Total savings of $310 per year with diligence are large relative to investment. Payback for the homeowner's investment is in from three years, to eleven, depending on how much of the cost is allowed as savings-related. Better too, that the larger investment immediately raises house usefulness and resale value, by more than the invested amount. More ignorant cellulose here, would have precluded savings, and detracted from house value.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;This homeowner placed value on my diligence that my rebates organization does not see, encourage or reward. A 25% tip was appropriate, for satisfaction way beyond his imagining at bid. This gives me satisfactory earnings, usually missed in this dismal business of competition with blow and go madness. I find it hard to be paid for my diligence, where it isn't even reportable. "Failure to demand diligence is reward of sleaze," as I chide with a "Diligence Report," in my rebate applications.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I state my complaint against dissing of diligence, to customers, and raise the ire of my rebates organization, Energy Trust of Oregon. How else can I get action? Energy Trust of Oregon is a pretty good organization. Perhaps there is none better. But, they persist in regressive policies best serving the affluent. They seem unable and uninterested, in guiding customers to diligent service.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-565432919004079356?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/565432919004079356/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=565432919004079356' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/565432919004079356'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/565432919004079356'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/12/excellence-is-better-value.html' title='Excellence Is Better Value'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TQlWgVQfBeI/AAAAAAAACeA/nSbVM-74HVU/s72-c/IMG_2031.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6190632572671062917</id><published>2010-11-30T05:40:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-12-02T06:45:42.891-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Another Really-Nice Job, Done</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TPR4ya87ofI/AAAAAAAACcg/Goj9LJXGNTY/s1152/IMG_2735.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="266" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TPR4ya87ofI/AAAAAAAACcg/Goj9LJXGNTY/s400/IMG_2735.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;A well-insulated attic may also be highly functional and pristine. This well-decked floor is a solid R38, under decking, and all the way out to walls below. Still missing: I want to cover the insulation batts with cotton sheets, to further protect the homeowner from insulation dust particles. Also still missing: enough ventilation to keep the attic cool in summer. I will replace the gable vents with house-symmetric, remote-operated windows, and will install a solar attic fan. The bath fan, seen here to discharge within the attic, will be hard-plumbed to a roof vent.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TPR4yh1ptRI/AAAAAAAACck/RgrWO7rntbc/s1152/IMG_2740.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="266" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TPR4yh1ptRI/AAAAAAAACck/RgrWO7rntbc/s400/IMG_2740.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Where a gas furnace is placed in the attic, efficient and safe access is mandatory. Here a furnace shutoff switch was missing, and was added.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Please see more details of this service at my web sites, &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;for policy matters&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and for access door/ ladder &lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/a/r5portals.com/www/home"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;matters of commerce&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TPR86DUlMII/AAAAAAAACc4/ODcHpUaOvZc/s720/IMG_2745.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TPR86DUlMII/AAAAAAAACc4/ODcHpUaOvZc/s320/IMG_2745.JPG" width="213" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The insulated and gasketed wood fold-out attic ladder is a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.calvertstairs.com/id50.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Calvert Model 1804&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;, that I have modified for less-steep, &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08J75j5rNUY"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;easy deployment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Conversions for user convenience and safety are well worth a twenty percent increase of the modest cost.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6190632572671062917?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6190632572671062917/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6190632572671062917' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6190632572671062917'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6190632572671062917'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/11/another-really-nice-job-done.html' title='Another Really-Nice Job, Done'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TPR4ya87ofI/AAAAAAAACcg/Goj9LJXGNTY/s72-c/IMG_2735.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-8111941218659839086</id><published>2010-11-14T21:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-11-14T21:40:07.205-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Reason to Wrap Crawl Space Joists</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I offered the joist wrapping of the previous post, as requisite for doing the awful work of insulating crawl spaces, in three bids. None were accepted. One reason could be offer of standard wired-up batts, at much lower cost, by more-willing competitors. The added cost of $500 to place R11 joist wrap was not sufficiently justified. This post presents the justification, with consistent use of my however-questionable math.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The previous post has inconsistent rigor, in considering thermal resistance of &amp;nbsp;framing over a crawl space.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The annual cost of heat lost to an uninsulated crawl space with&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;2x8@16" oc framing is reckoned with a bit more rigor, as:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;1.8*1000 (1.5/16/9.8 + 14.5/16/3) = $561 per year. Compare to computed $600 per year, where joists and all are treated as having the R3 minimum value.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The $58 per year heating cost for the proposed R11 and R30 batt placement is again considered with allowance for joist thermal resistance, as:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;1.8*1000 (1.5/16/20.8 + 14.5/16/33) = $58 per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Without the R11 wrap:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;1.8*1000 (1.5/16/9.8 + 14.5/16/33) = $67 per year.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The puny difference is $9 per year. My customers should question the wisdom of paying $500 for such benefit, where I have confidence in achieving the $67 per year cost, if I would offer the work.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The wrap is justified for any other installer, who, wiring up batts otherwise, fails to achieve full&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;contact of batts,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;with floor sheathing. Such installers offend customers with lost savings opportunity, and offend subsequent service access with sharps and obstacles. Estimate the savings of heating cost by wrap placement, assuming no benefit, where R30 batts are out of contact, as difference from $58 per year ideal cost.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Cost = 1.8*100*(1.5/16/9.8 + 14.5/16(f/33 + (1-f)/3)), where f is fraction floor contact.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TODEvTQXD3I/AAAAAAAACb8/i7TQeGf-FuE/Wrap%20Payback%20vs%20Fraction%20Contact.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="196" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TODEvTQXD3I/AAAAAAAACb8/i7TQeGf-FuE/Wrap%20Payback%20vs%20Fraction%20Contact.jpg" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;If batt contact is poor, it is very affordable to fix the problem by incrementally pulling down wires, and stapling R11 on joists. There should be no need of outside incentives, as in rebates, to fix a wrong installation. The incentive might be in denied incentive, where full contact is not achieved.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-8111941218659839086?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/8111941218659839086/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=8111941218659839086' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8111941218659839086'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8111941218659839086'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/11/reason-to-wrap-crawl-space-joists.html' title='Reason to Wrap Crawl Space Joists'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TODEvTQXD3I/AAAAAAAACb8/i7TQeGf-FuE/s72-c/Wrap%20Payback%20vs%20Fraction%20Contact.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-3081799549747910705</id><published>2010-10-27T21:34:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-10-28T07:56:49.095-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Insulating My Crawl Space</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I've lived in my house in Oregon's maritime climate, for seventeen years. I have good attic insulation, and OK wall insulation. The energy usage in heating my home is &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/energy-performance-scores"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;below-average&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, but that may be from letting the house run cold. Much of the time in cold winter, I need good shoes and heavy socks to cope with floor temperature. There is only a very beginning of &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/2x8-joists-at-16-oc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;insulating the crawl space&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, but surely I will get the rest done soon, now that I have a likable plan:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;div style="display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Wrap joists with 16" width R11 unfaced batts. Complete filling with R30 kraft batts.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There is absolute assurance batts can't fall, and less time thinking to pull batt edges down to cover joists.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;div style="display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; display: block; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TLvQTZEBP-I/AAAAAAAACbQ/QmPrzOjU8Hs/s1600/IMG_2720.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial; color: #4e7dbf;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TLvQTZEBP-I/AAAAAAAACbQ/QmPrzOjU8Hs/s320/IMG_2720.JPG" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here is the &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/insulation-math"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;math&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, for Portland, Oregon, with area 1000 sf:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Present heating cost is 1.8 * 1000/ 3 = $600 per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Wrap joists with unfaced R11 batts. Retain these batts with 1/2” staples both sides of joist, at spacing of about one foot. Do this wrap in parallel with R30 installation, beginning at the most-distant end of attic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Place R30 kraft-faced batts as blocks 16” x 48”, Johns Manville Product K1242. These batts more-fully fill joists, and are readily defended as R30. The thermal shorting of joists is considered.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;R = 3 + Reff, where 1/Reff = (1.5/16)/17.8 + (14.5/16)/30.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Reff = 28.2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Improved heating cost is 1.8 * 1000/ 31.2 = $58 per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Savings $600 - 58 = $542/ yr.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Cost of &amp;nbsp;insulation:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The R11 is calculated as length at 16” width, total 760 linear feet, where I will use Johns Manville AU397, sixteen 8-ft pieces per bag,128 linear ft per bag. Need six bags, at $266, retail. For a customer, I would charge $500 for the R11 installed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The R30 K1242 insulation needed is 1000 sf/ 58.66 sf/ bag, seventeen bags, $666 at retail. For a customer I would charge $1300, installed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Subtotal: Approximately $500 + $1300 = $1800.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Consider payback on this cost, with Energy Trust rebate, $.25*1000 = $250, and, a 30% Federal Tax credit on material at retail, 0.3*($266 + 666) = $280.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Payback = (1800 - 250 - 280)/$542/year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Payback = $1270/ $542/year = 2.3 years.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This kind of math overwhelms most customers, who have at least two just complaints. There is the fair cost of fuel, higher than their bills by about times 1.5. Like me, customers may also choose to not compensate, staying cold. I spend about $500 per year for natural gas heat, in a 986 sf home. Surely $350 of that is due to cold floors. At fair fuel cost of $2 per therm, my floors are blowing at least $500 per year, not much different from the $600 prediction. Maybe I am less thrifty with the thermostat, than I think, and less thrifty than that skeptical customer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I have been foolish to not do the crawl space insulation sooner. I preserved overhead space for recent Pex-replacement of all water pipes, but could have managed all that crawling under the insulation I now propose. I have done an attitude check under my test bay, and don't feel more-confined. Head bangers are cushioned. On the other hand, where most installers would run crazy wires to "hold-up" the batts, I would have many snags to curse.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-3081799549747910705?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/3081799549747910705/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=3081799549747910705' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3081799549747910705'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3081799549747910705'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/10/insulating-my-crawl-space.html' title='Insulating My Crawl Space'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TLvQTZEBP-I/AAAAAAAACbQ/QmPrzOjU8Hs/s72-c/IMG_2720.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6225707151672195724</id><published>2010-10-20T08:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-10-23T15:50:18.671-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Unresponsive RTF</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;This message was sent to persons unknown, at RTF, on September 15th, 2010:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"&gt;To&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="il" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffff88; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; color: #222222;"&gt;RTF&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Please see beginning of an interaction with Regional Technical Forum, on math bases for "deemed measures."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/bpa-math"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;ttps://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/bpa-math&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My numbers are thoroughly and publicly derived. Measure details are real, learned in first-hand down-and-dirty experience. I assert that I am nearing maturity in a self-taught college of weatherization. I &amp;nbsp;wish to find my place among other researchers in Portland, and anywhere.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I ask to see bases for the numbers in the&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="il" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffff88; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; color: #222222;"&gt;RTF&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;work product.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Phillip Norman&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Attic Access&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It seems I am not entitled to a response. That is crummy. This is Day 35 of waiting for any response. At Day 13, I asked for support from Energy Trust, and was advised:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: green; font-size: 16px;"&gt;My guess is they’ll take your numbers into consideration. No guarantees of the outcome.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: green; font-size: 16px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: green; font-size: 16px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;The message to RTF does imply criticism of their hugely-expensive, unfriendly and unprintable "work product." I find the RTF numbers are cruelly inaccurate, showing modest penalty for living with no insulation. I think the BPA/RTF numbers may have some basis in a sampling of actual before-and-after energy costs, considering heating season only, where lifestyle choice is not considered. "Before", we are less-productive in conditions of freezing, not affording enough heat. We are foolish if we afford ourselves air conditioning.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Any reader may make the comparisons, to judge merit in the work product paid-for extravagantly from our remittances for BPA electricity.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6225707151672195724?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6225707151672195724/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6225707151672195724' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6225707151672195724'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6225707151672195724'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/10/unresponsive-rtf.html' title='Unresponsive RTF'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6128746332930735448</id><published>2010-10-01T06:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-10-01T07:11:37.933-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Math Error Found</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Sadly, the clothes line math error is in the direction of lesser justification for savings effort. The math of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #222222; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Conservation/Clotheslines.htm" style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Build It Solar&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;is quite correct. Further math for understanding is correct at my &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/insulation-math"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;web site&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;: Convert KWH at 29.3 KWH per therm and 12 pounds CO2 per therm.&amp;nbsp;About 410 pounds of CO2 results from generating 1000 KWH. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.physics.uci.edu/~silverma/units.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; is one credible outside source for the conversions. The 410 number looks right for the Northwest mix of sources, mainly coal and hydroelectric.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #222222; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TKXfNhIP7-I/AAAAAAAACXs/ByERyq58pb4/10-1-2010%206-14-30%20AM.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="95" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TKXfNhIP7-I/AAAAAAAACXs/ByERyq58pb4/10-1-2010%206-14-30%20AM.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #222222; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #222222; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #222222; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 25px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 25px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 25px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Numbers above are from the UC Irvine link.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Allow that my two-person household would be using 860 KWH per year with full resort to an electric dryer. Saving half of that is 180 pounds of CO2 and $30 at $2 per therm, per year. Savings are smaller (by half?) where I have a natural gas dryer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The error found? It is in the often-cited &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0824/p01s03-ussc.html?page=2"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;CS Monitor article&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11.6667px; line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;Annually, these dryers consume 1,079 kilowatt hours of energy per household, creating 2,224 pounds of carbon-dioxide emissions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;1079 KWH converts to perhaps 440 pounds of CO2.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6128746332930735448?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6128746332930735448/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6128746332930735448' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6128746332930735448'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6128746332930735448'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/10/math-error-found.html' title='Math Error Found'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TKXfNhIP7-I/AAAAAAAACXs/ByERyq58pb4/s72-c/10-1-2010%206-14-30%20AM.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-4233293552825677849</id><published>2010-09-29T22:41:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-09-30T13:18:07.538-07:00</updated><title type='text'>More Clothes Line Math</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Conservation/Clotheslines.htm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Build It Solar - Clothesline Thoughts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;Drying clothes in a gas or electric dryer is energy intensive.&amp;nbsp; An electric dryer uses about 2.3 KWH of electricity to dry one load.&amp;nbsp; In addition, as the dryer vents its exhaust out of the house, new air is pulled into the house to replace it, and in the winter, this new air must be heated.&amp;nbsp; If the temperature outside is (say) 30F, it takes about&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.builditsolar.com/References/Half/ProjectsConservation.htm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;another 2 KWH to heat this incoming air&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;.&amp;nbsp; In climates where AC is used in the summer, air pulled in by the dryer must be cooled.&amp;nbsp; So, drying one load can takes from 2.3 KWH to 4.3 KWH for each load -- a lot.&amp;nbsp; If you do a load a day, then you probably spend about 1000 KWH per year on drying energy.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I'll figure 200 loads in a year, for a two-adult household. Without AC, figure 860 KWH. Do the &lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/insulation-math"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Math&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; on that.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 16px;"&gt;One therm is 29.3 KWH and 12 pounds CO2. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; line-height: 16px;"&gt;860 KWH is 29.4 therms and 350 pounds of CO2. If I save half of that, it is about fifteen therms, $30, 180 pounds CO2.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; line-height: 16px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 5px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; line-height: 16px;"&gt;Where is my error?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-4233293552825677849?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/4233293552825677849/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=4233293552825677849' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4233293552825677849'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4233293552825677849'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-clothes-line-math.html' title='More Clothes Line Math'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-9214535356948153777</id><published>2010-09-29T22:04:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-09-29T22:07:45.341-07:00</updated><title type='text'>More Thought of Carbon Footprint: Shunning My Clothes Dryer</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;It is time at last to curtail my luxury of mindlessly tossing laundry in my natural-gas clothes dryer. The conversion from electric heat in a hand-me-down, free dryer was ticket for ease that I let go through another Summer. What is the amount of my savings opportunity?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I refer first to one of my &lt;a href="http://www.breezedryer.com/page/eco_facts.htm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;clothesline shopping discoveries&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt; I will just accept for now that a two-person household, with half-time resort to clotheslines, may save 500 pounds of CO2 per year. The saving is sizable, judging by math for my &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/10/beginning-thoughts-of-math-carbon.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;total carbon footprint&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, about 20,000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;pounds of CO2 per year. Every measure that might save another 1000 pounds of CO2, will be painful.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;The cost of a durable, convenient and presentable clothesline seems to be more than $250. How does this pan out in a payback calculation, the &lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/insulation-math"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Insulation Math&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 16px;"&gt;A therm corresponds to emission of about 12 pounds of CO2. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;"&gt;500 pounds is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;42 therms. At $2 per therm, my saving is $84 per year. A $300 clothesline cost is repaid in less than four years, 28% simple return. Worth doing. Worthy of incentives. Spending $300 will not be extravagant.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-9214535356948153777?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/9214535356948153777/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=9214535356948153777' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/9214535356948153777'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/9214535356948153777'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-thought-of-carbon-footprint.html' title='More Thought of Carbon Footprint: Shunning My Clothes Dryer'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2871645016743376947</id><published>2010-09-21T04:47:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-10-06T10:37:03.976-07:00</updated><title type='text'>An Especial Obligation to Honesty</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_Power_Administration"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Bonneville Power Administration&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is a rare government creation that is self-funded, with much money from too-abundant power sales, to spend as it chooses. The money is a corruptible basis of BPA influence. That is why BPA has an especially large need of public scrutiny. Actions to that end include this, of March 24, 2010:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;AN EVALUATION OF THE REGIONAL TECHNICAL&amp;nbsp;FORUM&amp;nbsp;– Final Report –&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nwcouncil.org/rtf/meetings/2010/04/RTF_Eval_EMI240310.pdf"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;http://www.nwcouncil.org/rtf/meetings/2010/04/RTF_Eval_EMI240310.pdf&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This report is kind to its sponsors, accepting exponential growth of RTF.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TJiaetP2HwI/AAAAAAAACNE/T6HiS1tjLYM/RTF%20Budget%20Graph.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="194" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TJiaetP2HwI/AAAAAAAACNE/T6HiS1tjLYM/RTF%20Budget%20Graph.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The scrutiny is not always voluntary. Among scholarly reviews, I have picked as significant, this PhD thesis, dated November 27, 2007:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Columbia River's region: Politics, place and environment in the Pacific Northwest, 1933--present&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/handle/1794/6280"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/handle/1794/6280&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2871645016743376947?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2871645016743376947/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2871645016743376947' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2871645016743376947'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2871645016743376947'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/09/especial-obligation-to-honesty.html' title='An Especial Obligation to Honesty'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TJiaetP2HwI/AAAAAAAACNE/T6HiS1tjLYM/s72-c/RTF%20Budget%20Graph.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2020790193578615328</id><published>2010-09-06T08:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-09-07T08:29:35.226-07:00</updated><title type='text'>BPA Post One</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Why should BPA have a voice in weatherization of our homes?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;They have not updated their primitive&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/energy/n/energy_tips/weatherization/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;weatherization advice&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, since 2004. They should not bother.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The call, still, for use of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/energy/n/energy_tips/weatherization/PipesDucts.cfm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;duct tape&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;is indicative of the advice-writer's detached irresponsibility. Surely the advice is just that of a consultant with no first-hand experience.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Following BPA advice leads to the common crawl space disaster of critter haven above insulation. There are warmed underfloor lairs, until the batts fall down. The nerve, to not know, even today, that a &lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/energy/n/energy_tips/weatherization/insulatefloor.cfm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;tied-up R19 batt&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; does not fill 2x8 framing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2020790193578615328?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2020790193578615328/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2020790193578615328' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2020790193578615328'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2020790193578615328'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/09/bpa-post-one.html' title='BPA Post One'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-492772476918198100</id><published>2010-08-31T08:59:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-09-08T09:56:28.574-07:00</updated><title type='text'>BPI Flu</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The nature of the illness is throwing around the word "performance" and stating that improvement of "performance" is so key, that its practitioners should drive the weatherization wagon. Performance improvement, as used in acronyms &lt;a href="http://www.bpi.org/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;BPI&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/energy/n/projects/PTCS/index.cfm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;PTCS&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, is only the little good someone in a clean shirt can do in an hour or so of attempted tightening of a house envelope against infiltration or HVAC duct leakage, rarely for energy savings of more than $20 per year. The performance practitioners blessed with "certification" attend classes, pay large fees and maybe take tests, and can then call themselves "professionals." There is no checking back to show they are honest or do good work, as any employer would require.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The performance word, as blower door reading, is so indeterminate, that in fact only change of reading has meaning. This then mandates a "before" test, fudged as much as possible to be a high number, and, worst, serves as a preventive of air sealing. Someone seeing a problem can't fix it until its blower door consequence is recorded, and won't fix it, or does at five times the cost. If the fix will have no consequence to a blower door test, as with an &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/09/sealing-attic-floor-pits.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;attic floor pit&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, why bother? This is absurd. It is very costly in maintaining waste of energy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I am heartened at finding &lt;a href="http://www.acca.org/press/news.php?id=323"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;a large majority of HVAC contractors&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; warning of the misbehavior of BPI, and others, attempting to corrupt HomeStar legislation, for self-interest. I now feel freer to speak out.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I thought &lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/energy/n/projects/PTCS/index.cfm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Bonneville Power Administration&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, Oregon and Washington had a lot to do with the BPI/ Home Performance phenomenon, nationally. I'm right about Oregon. Oregon is third in the nation, just a little worse than Virginia, in per-population acceptance of BPI certification. Most states have none.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TH0rMf8N47I/AAAAAAAAB7M/AzOAn7u0CxQ/s1600/BPI%20Masco%20States.jpg" imageanchor="1"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="235" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TH0rMf8N47I/AAAAAAAAB7M/AzOAn7u0CxQ/s320/BPI%20Masco%20States.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;And who is spreading it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;In Oregon, forced by publicly-funded &lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/energy/n/projects/PTCS/index.cfm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;BPA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and its child,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.nwcouncil.org/rtf/archivedata.htm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Regional Technical Forum&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, pressure to get with the program is intense. In Washington, it is only PTCS that has been enforced. I will hope to understand the forces for conformance in New York and New Jersey.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The claimed-biggest "trainer" is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.everblueenergy.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Everblue Training Institute&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;, location unknown, perhaps Charlotte NC.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Numbers in red above include "service providers" franchised by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wellhome.com/about"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;WellHome&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;WellHome, Masco Brands:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TH0pmpiD4BI/AAAAAAAAB68/ICfixMrs4fw/masco%20brands.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="52" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TH0pmpiD4BI/AAAAAAAAB68/ICfixMrs4fw/masco%20brands.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Isn't that scary regarding intent to steal public resources through HomeStar?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-492772476918198100?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/492772476918198100/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=492772476918198100' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/492772476918198100'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/492772476918198100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/bpi-flu.html' title='BPI Flu'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TH0rMf8N47I/AAAAAAAAB7M/AzOAn7u0CxQ/s72-c/BPI%20Masco%20States.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-3338495337755978202</id><published>2010-08-31T03:34:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-31T20:36:41.549-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Building Performance Madness</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Letter to the City of Portland person responsible for Clean Energy Works, sent 8/20/2010:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;You saw the full depth of the problem in the well-meaning man who spoke with you, just before I did, at August 3rd Green Drinks. "I have nearly finished my BPM (sic) training. How can I become part of your Program?" I imagine his "training" is with&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://econtc.com/" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;econtc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;, upon which I&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/06/larger-appeal-against-home-performance_119.html" style="color: #0000cc;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;comment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I took little of your time, mentioning that I have construction skill and insights useful to Clean Energy Works, in my opinion. As a sole proprietor, I can't be all things, rejecting&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="il" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffff88; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; color: #222222;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;BPI&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;investment, properly the realm of full-time professional furnace mechanics. The real skill of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;fixing things&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;is missed when money and project control is directed only through&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="il" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffff88; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; color: #222222;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;BPI&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;-Certified contractors. I&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;mentioned "diligence," and other ways of administration.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;You saw that&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="il" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffff88; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; color: #222222;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;BPI&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Certification very often is unrelated to the ability or wish, to fix anything.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I am trying very hard, to have a&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/search?q=clean+energy+works" style="color: #0000cc;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;voice and a role in state and national implementation of up-front financing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;, as the progressive way to do weatherization, putting the money in the hands of consumers, for qualifying projects of the very greatest worth and integrity. My&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/insulation-math" style="color: #0000cc;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Insulation Math&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;is far more useful than a blower door.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-3338495337755978202?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/3338495337755978202/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=3338495337755978202' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3338495337755978202'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3338495337755978202'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/building-performance-madness.html' title='Building Performance Madness'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-1110248875825963329</id><published>2010-08-30T10:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-31T03:20:28.055-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Diligence En-Masse</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/pjnorman/SkylightShaftInsulation#"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;skylights slideshow&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; supporting the previous post, notes $94 per year heat-cost savings in one row home of a large complex, with investment payback in only two years. Diligence in application to neighboring units would net this same savings more than thirty times over. I have the method, and the interest of one neighbor who oversees the maintenance of all units. How shall society efficiently get the work done?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here is my pie-in-the-sky. I imagine real implementation of Oregon's HB2626, where I could clear a project for all residents, with 100% up-front financing. HB2626 was NOT imagined as a tool to empower select big businesses (regardless of their record of diligence) and to hand over any profit to overseer BPI general-contractors as &lt;a href="http://www.acca.org/press/news.php?id=323"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;"aggregators."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; The money must be available for any Oregon RESIDENT or resident association, not contractor, for diligence-proven qualifying projects.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;We have hardly begun to define a working version of HB2626, and seem to have abandoned leadership for the nation, of Oregon Senator Merkley's S1574.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-1110248875825963329?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/1110248875825963329/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=1110248875825963329' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1110248875825963329'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1110248875825963329'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/diligence-en-masse.html' title='Diligence En-Masse'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6784133210005486250</id><published>2010-08-30T10:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-31T20:41:08.574-07:00</updated><title type='text'>What is wrong here?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Distress that prompted the previous post might not be understood, without direct posting of relevant photos and captions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left; margin-right: 1em; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/THNCWHSnVbI/AAAAAAAAB4M/njJJrcSiPM4/s1600/IMG_2704.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/THNCWHSnVbI/AAAAAAAAB4M/njJJrcSiPM4/s320/IMG_2704.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;The knee wall at left is insulated to R30, and I am in conflict with&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/weatherization/attic-insulation/#at1_14"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;this rule&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, in not covering it with a vapor-permeable air barrier, "vpab." If I were to comply, I could apply drywall, or least-costly wood, perhaps 3/8" plywood. I would NOT use house wrap. But why? Why? Why? The knee wall is better and more-stably insulated than the adjacent exposed wall of a bathroom, not a knee wall, and not commanded to have vpab. For that bathroom wall I placed an over-fill of 2x4 framing, with quite-well-retained unfaced R19 batt insulation. I took the picture for good reason, though I struggle now to express that reason. With some consciousness, I did NOT do the R30 thing with this wall.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left; margin-right: 1em; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG8tyEMU2xI/AAAAAAAABw0/YXFhyZr-ttQ/s1600/IMG_2182.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG8tyEMU2xI/AAAAAAAABw0/YXFhyZr-ttQ/s320/IMG_2182.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is found insulation of a typical skylight shaft, in a row-house complex with 2x4@24" oc attic trusses. Insulation is all pretense, stapled crazily over framing and not preventing complete bathing of shaft drywall, in convected attic-temperature air.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Construction was in 2002, and the installation would not pass inspection, then or now. At least sixty skylights are visible in satellite photos of the row-house village. Attics are poorly insulated in other ways, missing the R19 cover of loose-fill in the lee of any object, and at any point of maintenance. A bath fan installer might think rebuilding of fragile insulation is futile.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG8uIzl-lMI/AAAAAAAABxM/LcHdSTiC27s/s1600/IMG_2947_crop.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; display: inline !important; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG8uIzl-lMI/AAAAAAAABxM/LcHdSTiC27s/s320/IMG_2947_crop.JPG" width="300" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here is the skylight with R11 fill among 2x4 on-flat side wall frames, and found R21 kraft fill among 2x4 upright end frames. Crossing R15 batts, and the first-layer insulation, are retained by 2x3@16" oc added framing, and screwed-on wood lath. Overall R-value a bit under R25. If a vpab is needed for insulation security of all knee walls regardless of R-value, a vpab would be demanded here too. It is not demanded, and I think no one has bothered to set standards for skylight insulation. Someone should, and, please let there not be call for a vpab.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6784133210005486250?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6784133210005486250/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6784133210005486250' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6784133210005486250'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6784133210005486250'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-is-wrong-here.html' title='What is wrong here?'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/THNCWHSnVbI/AAAAAAAAB4M/njJJrcSiPM4/s72-c/IMG_2704.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-7361729456793847986</id><published>2010-08-24T06:43:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-11-16T18:47:58.778-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Rules Without Reason</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I am subject to rules of my rebates organization, that I must break in correct service of my customers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The rules that have troubled me most are the call of a vapor-permeable air barrier on the exterior side of knee walls, and the 100% rule for vapor retarder placement.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;1. Vapor-Permeable Air Barrier:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;(From &lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/ta/insider/0907/existinghomes.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;July, 2009 Insider&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, for example)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10.8333px; line-height: 16px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #351c75;"&gt;Quality control tip of the month: vapor-permeable air barriers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #20124d;"&gt;A vapor-permeable air barrier is required to receive Energy Trust’s insulation incentives in human-contact areas and for kneewall projects. Insulation in attics, basements, garages, storage areas or other areas where occupants go for routine maintenance or storage must be covered with a vapor-permeable air barrier to limit occupant exposure to insulation fibers. Kneewall insulation, whether new or pre-existing, must be covered with a durable, vapor-permeable air barrier material to prevent air penetration of the insulation and to ensure the insulation is held in full contact with the wall cavity. Kneewall areas are often designed to have passive ventilation, which promotes air movement behind the kneewall.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10.8333px; line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #20124d;"&gt;Since insulation is most effective when air movement is static or trapped, the vapor-permeable air barrier minimizes wind-washing, and promotes optimum R-Value and energy savings. The key to a vapor-permeable air barrier is using a product that allows vapor transmission but blocks air movement. There are several new, inexpensive woven-nylon-sheet products available at big box stores and professional suppliers. For more information on installing complete insulation measures, view Energy Trust’s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10.8333px; line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #60604b;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energytrust.org/TA/hes/weatherization/intro.html" style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;2009 Weatherization Specifications Manual&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #60604b;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;One clue of error in reasoning, is the application only to human-contact areas. The real and only purpose, applicable even in a hard-to-crawl, small knee wall alley, is to keep ill-sized, non-retained batts, from falling down. Isn't it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Another clue of error in reasoning is the practical exclusion of non-air-barriered low-density, loose-filled attic floors, from enforcement. That fact is proof concerns are neither wind-washing, nor protection against dust. I have challenged my enforcement contact to find an insulation manufacturer spokesman who will say there is special concern of wind-washing in a knee wall, or that there is &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; consequence to R-value, of wind-washing on an attic floor.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I break the rule, where the expected compliance is stapling up a few hacked pieces of house wrap. That won't even retain a batt that wants to fall. It certainly adds no air-tightness. I was very disappointed in my &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/01/kneewall-closet-air-barrier.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;one experiment in thus-compliance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. I don't think any house wrap is sold with a useful tape to join panels, and bond to other structures. I had heard some contractors are complying, where anyone might check, by stapling up visqueen, and slashing it. My contact denies this would be approved. I'm not convinced it doesn't happen. Slashed visqueen is in fact not inferior as hold-up band-aid, to pieces of house wrap. My careful framing and double-layering is NOT a band-aid. R15 and less is NOT ENOUGH, where more will fit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I seek change to an "R30 Rule" for knee walls and all permissive vertical walls, in part by example in my work. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Please see my discussions and experiments,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/r30-knee-wall"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;, and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/attic-access-2010"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;. My recent post on&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/better-insulation-of-skylights.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;insulation of skylights&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;inspires this fresh summary. Rules on security and amount of vertical-wall insulation, where thickness is not constrained, must apply equally to knee walls and to skylight shafts. Would there be any virtue in stapling some house wrap to try to stabilize precarious skylight insulation? Much better to use containing framing and crossing batts, for a standard R30 minimum.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;2. 100% Rule for Vapor Retarders:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is stated many times in 2010 Energy Trust Specifications, for example, &lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/weatherization/attic-insulation-requirements/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 10.8333px; line-height: 18px;"&gt;In attics with no pre-existing insulation, vapor retarders shall face the heated area of the building.&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: initial; outline-width: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Do not install new insulation with a vapor retarder on top of pre-existing insulation.&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;There should only be one vapor retarder in the assembly, and it should be in contact with the heated ceiling. If existing attic insulation has a vapor retarder on top surface, slash with razor knife every 6 inches before adding more insulation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 10.8333px; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I apply the common Two-Thirds Rule. Please see discussion &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/11/vapor-retarder-two-thirds-rule.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2008/04/cleaning-up-blown-cellulose-attic.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;My excellent examples of better service to customers&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 21px;"&gt;by use of a Two Thirds Rule, are numerous. I don't like to break rules. It teaches disrespect. It makes me seem to be disrespectful, and in that I am being abused.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-7361729456793847986?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/7361729456793847986/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=7361729456793847986' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7361729456793847986'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7361729456793847986'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/rules-without-reason.html' title='Rules Without Reason'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-4908797335309809845</id><published>2010-08-22T14:33:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-23T06:12:05.534-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Bath Fan Sealing</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/diligence-almost-thwarted.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Noted poor installation of a bath fan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; had a few reporting errors.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_Q89oLdGI/AAAAAAAABy8/jcoI7UI4Bc8/s1600/IMG_2924.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_Q89oLdGI/AAAAAAAABy8/jcoI7UI4Bc8/s320/IMG_2924.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There were two fans, both Panasonic FV08VQ3, a very common, excellent, extremely quiet 80 cfm unit that in fact is very easy to install. Light f&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;rom bathrooms&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;could be seen from the attic, corresponding of course to heat loss.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_QkuJv-ZI/AAAAAAAAByc/6vItEqYr22Q/s1600/IMG_2917.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_QkuJv-ZI/AAAAAAAAByc/6vItEqYr22Q/s320/IMG_2917.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-size: medium; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;From below, installations seem to be tidy. The installer probably thought he had followed directions, and has probably done many similar installations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-size: medium; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Directions do not consider the most-common need, remodel installation through existing drywall. Here openings were enlarged, to replace silly American noise-makers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_Qk8xWcYI/AAAAAAAAByk/6kNbrirC6GI/s1600/IMG_2919.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_Qk8xWcYI/AAAAAAAAByk/6kNbrirC6GI/s320/IMG_2919.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Begin with knowing the guts of each fan must be removed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;All screws are Phillips drive. Collect four that release the lightweight cover plate. Three more are machine screws that release the motor assembly, not dropping out.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RN4xLn8I/AAAAAAAABzI/yuG68VkW-q8/s1600/IMG_2928.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RN4xLn8I/AAAAAAAABzI/yuG68VkW-q8/s320/IMG_2928.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;In each case, the fan body flange was traced, and drywall was cut through to reveal half of the width of a truss bottom chord.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Drywall scraps, and the dead fans, were tossed into the trash heap of loose-fill insulation above.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_ROESLmQI/AAAAAAAABzM/TowPn0lR2TQ/s1600/IMG_2929.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_ROESLmQI/AAAAAAAABzM/TowPn0lR2TQ/s320/IMG_2929.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The solution available to me, with the&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://plasterrepairhowto.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;flexible grout&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;I offer, was to reset scraps &amp;nbsp;in properly-framed openings. This was possible in part because drywall was strong, 5/8" fire-rated, for condominium construction. The repair is as-new on three edges with wood backing. I will adequately glue the unsupported side, with flexible grout.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_ROXZLWCI/AAAAAAAABzQ/zHygUhcqjnE/s1600/IMG_2930_crop.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="265" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_ROXZLWCI/AAAAAAAABzQ/zHygUhcqjnE/s320/IMG_2930_crop.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_ROedugTI/AAAAAAAABzU/QS6MINe1d6I/s1600/IMG_2931.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_ROedugTI/AAAAAAAABzU/QS6MINe1d6I/s320/IMG_2931.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here are the two openings, ready for fan insertion. 2x3 frame sides spaced 10 1/2" are attached to truss chords, with 3" deck screws. The openings in the other direction are 10 5/8".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_ROnNIB8I/AAAAAAAABzY/TgRCXWdlxMk/s1600/IMG_2932.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_ROnNIB8I/AAAAAAAABzY/TgRCXWdlxMk/s320/IMG_2932.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Fan adapter assemblies, still wired, stand securely, with bottom flanges engaging the underside of the drywall.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RmZcHD1I/AAAAAAAABzg/SKkOL5ExRPM/s1600/IMG_2933.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RmZcHD1I/AAAAAAAABzg/SKkOL5ExRPM/s320/IMG_2933.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Each fan body is pushed through from below, and is loaded against 2x3 rails, with 2 1/2" deck screws.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RmrQtNEI/AAAAAAAABzk/FNEmtuHJgrM/s1600/IMG_2934.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RmrQtNEI/AAAAAAAABzk/FNEmtuHJgrM/s320/IMG_2934.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Complete reassembly of fans can happen now, ready for paint.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RnHUbZPI/AAAAAAAABzo/ntaP32Wx-Xo/s1600/IMG_2935.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RnHUbZPI/AAAAAAAABzo/ntaP32Wx-Xo/s320/IMG_2935.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The adapter assembly top clips are rotated onto fan bodies, completing tight assembly, from above.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RnY9CBjI/AAAAAAAABzs/zURb112fln4/s1600/IMG_2937.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_RnY9CBjI/AAAAAAAABzs/zURb112fln4/s320/IMG_2937.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Foil-tape the ducts, and reset cable staples.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The above is an exercise in blogging, further learning what is possible with the free resources of google.com. I think this sharing of experience is a necessary investment to fight installation error, and waste of energy. I have started &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://productinstallationhowto.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;another blog&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; as another way of trying this. I think an installation methods forum of some kind is needed, and will hope to at least be a contributor.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-4908797335309809845?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/4908797335309809845/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=4908797335309809845' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4908797335309809845'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4908797335309809845'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/bath-fan-sealing.html' title='Bath Fan Sealing'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TG_Q89oLdGI/AAAAAAAABy8/jcoI7UI4Bc8/s72-c/IMG_2924.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-9120902067892054710</id><published>2010-08-20T18:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-20T18:50:56.094-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Better Insulation of Skylights</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here is a captioned slideshow:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/pjnorman/SkylightShaftInsulation#"&gt;http://picasaweb.google.com/pjnorman/SkylightShaftInsulation#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-9120902067892054710?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/9120902067892054710/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=9120902067892054710' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/9120902067892054710'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/9120902067892054710'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/better-insulation-of-skylights.html' title='Better Insulation of Skylights'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6680561939719182335</id><published>2010-08-12T05:41:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-12T05:43:51.077-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Feedback</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I think I deserve thoughtful feedback, for provocative thinking on weatherization policies, and invention of methods. I don't understand the person(s), probably threatened, who comment with Chinese pornography. This post was inspired by thinking, well, no Chinese pornography yet, and silence from Saturn Resource Management professionals, on &lt;a href="http://srmi.biz/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1202157107/14#14"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;this&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and the parent revision of my business objectives &lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;But, there is no commenting to my web site!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;So, have at it!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6680561939719182335?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6680561939719182335/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6680561939719182335' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6680561939719182335'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6680561939719182335'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/feedback.html' title='Feedback'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-7118210575505836280</id><published>2010-08-06T05:25:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-07T11:40:16.364-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Diligence Almost Thwarted</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;I post the content of a message to a customer. The exercise in math and logic may clarify my problem with any blower door testing, as prerequisite and director, for maintenance. I hope it will raise &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/diligence"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Diligence Honored&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;, as a replacement for almost all Home Performance testing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I monitored the conversation with your condo-complex General Contractor, about the 110 CFM Panasonic fan in your master bathroom. This fan is presumed 12” by 16” through ceiling. In fact the cut is 14” by 18”. The gap is hidden by the fan cover, but is unobstructed as a house infiltration path.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The involved flow area is 14*18 - 12*16 = 60 sq in.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;CFM50 = 7.5 * (Path Area, sq in) = 450 cfm. CFM = CFM50 / 20 = 22.5 cfm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The annual cost of this leakage at fair $2 per therm, is 0.074 * CFM50 = $33 per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The 22 5 cfm constant flow is equal to fan flow running 22.5/110 * 24 = five hours per day.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Would you intentionally ventilate this much, or is this objectionable and involuntary?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Energy Trust would rebate half of the cost of fixing the gap, say $50 times half = $25. The rebate would require blower door tests before and after, surely in separate-day unhappy visits for you and the tester, at cost of several hundred dollars. The tests and rebate are of course absurd.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The general contractor did not give good advice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;A lesson for all of us, is that diligence must happen, at fair least cost, without a fuss, and without bad feelings because someone would pull the public string. All “performance” conditions for rebates, and all rebates should end. They are just a disadvantage to this good person, who will not abuse the public trust.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;My customer liked this advice, and I will fix his fan installation. No testing needed. The math is far more accurate than testing, for any one repair.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The repair is not insignificant, and that is why an electrician or handyman walks away from his error. I will fully remove the fan, and rebuild the opening with real plaster, total job time about an hour. I will help anyone to be comfortable using plaster (not mud!), here Structolite. Weatherization sponsors should step in to require repair of installer error. Repairs should not be left to the rare capable weatherization person, and must not be rebateable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I belatedly admit a simplification, and over-estimate of this problem. I well know that Panasonic fan housings are bottom-flanged, to align on and seal against the ceiling. That flange blocks the flow path, probably by about two thirds. This detail does not change resolve to do the repair. It does nothing to justify attendant testing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-7118210575505836280?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/7118210575505836280/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=7118210575505836280' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7118210575505836280'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7118210575505836280'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/08/diligence-almost-thwarted.html' title='Diligence Almost Thwarted'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-1872779776834405142</id><published>2010-07-05T09:57:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-20T16:50:42.431-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Conflicted Test, Badly-Served Customer</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TDHZZ3OQ5EI/AAAAAAAABYg/DA3H_QtC6W4/s1600/IMG_2566.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TDHZZ3OQ5EI/AAAAAAAABYg/DA3H_QtC6W4/s320/IMG_2566.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;My job now in need of reporting was put off by the customer for more than a year. The customer was inspired by awareness of energy waste in a newly-acquired home, and the well-meant marketing efforts of the local purveyor of Public Purpose Funds, to accomplish an extraordinarily difficult job of house weatherization, beginning in the attic. The year of delay was in finding someone willing and able, to do the work. The immediate actions in an energy audit and home performance test ended with recommendation that nothing was needed beyond gooping and wrapping the HVAC supply ducts in the attic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TEXiOXQs-UI/AAAAAAAABic/agLMZjW4Cm4/s1600/IMG_2320%28edited%29.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="368" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TEXiOXQs-UI/AAAAAAAABic/agLMZjW4Cm4/s400/IMG_2320%28edited%29.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;All needed work was obstructed by knee wall braces, nearly-complete nailed-down 1x8 ship lap flooring, and the trampled in-the-way wrapped HVAC supply ducts. This duct branch was directly over the best location of a new attic ladder, and much-better access was mandatory.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I found extraordinary savings to be achieved in this 1400 sf one-story home. Savings through my labor and placement of materials include reduction of conduction/ convection heat loss cost, of about $950 per year. $550 per year of this is due to closure of an extraordinary distribution of attic floor pits. $400 per year is due to the addition of insulation, from R4 to R38. There are further but much-smaller and indeterminate savings, from reduced house air infiltration. The dollar numbers, at $2 per therm, are large vs actual gas bills. They believably correspond to a modest one-third reduction of natural gas consumption, with a 1.6 ton per year reduction of CO2 conversion.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I have complained against the no-bid presented with the "confidential" home performance test. At this Picasa Web Albums page, I disclose the report scanned for me, by the customer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/pjnorman/AHomePerformanceTestDoesnTFixProblems#5490407824402329250"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;http://picasaweb.google.com/pjnorman/AHomePerformanceTestDoesnTFixProblems#5490407824402329250&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The customer paid $209 for perhaps two sets of blower door and duct blaster tests in a part-day of service where ducts in the attic were gooped, and were wrapped with 24" x 48" patches of unfaced R11 batt fiberglass. A $35 rebate is offered for just one blower door test per residence, I thought. Two seem to have been claimed, although the report does not have a second set of numbers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I did very thorough sealing of the attic floor, as reported at my &lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/floor-sealing"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;web site&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-1872779776834405142?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/1872779776834405142/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=1872779776834405142' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1872779776834405142'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1872779776834405142'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/07/conflicted-test-badly-served-customer.html' title='Conflicted Test, Badly-Served Customer'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TDHZZ3OQ5EI/AAAAAAAABYg/DA3H_QtC6W4/s72-c/IMG_2566.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2866859867787864373</id><published>2010-07-03T06:42:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-04T21:36:18.937-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Home Performance Testing is Classified!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I am shocked to find that Home Performance test reports by another contractor are indeed classified, and will not be shared unless volunteered by the customer. What is classified? I can see owner names, accurate house photos, and sale price and tax histories, on the internet. A local newspaper rats on water wasters. I think maybe the Google Street View scans should include infrared, as another tool in weatherization management!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I called my rebate organization here, as follow-up of a completed job, where the work was too difficult, and not likely profitable, and was declined as unnecessary, by a big-league contractor. My rebate organization at first denied testing had been done. Then they refused to share results.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2866859867787864373?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2866859867787864373/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2866859867787864373' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2866859867787864373'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2866859867787864373'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/07/home-performance-testing-is-classified.html' title='Home Performance Testing is Classified!'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-7383365236300047781</id><published>2010-06-28T06:37:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-28T07:12:14.479-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Problems Solved With a Blower Door</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I declare I have never seen a home where weatherization problems demanded detection with a blower door test. This is in exceptionally competent practice as an individual, over five years, dealing mainly with attics. My practice does include walls and crawl spaces. For walls, I once found a garage wall driven-through, hidden by paneling, behind a wood pile, very leaky through insulation batts not-covered by the opposite face, and not detected by a home performance tester.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I charge that there are no weatherization problems to be solved in typical American homes, not best detected visually by a diligent worker. I do admit that a blower door can deepen temperature gradients, to improve detectability of hidden problems by infrared inspection, but note that infrared inspection is with expensive tools, not afforded by many Home Performance inspectors, and not demanded of them in Oregon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;My criticism of blower door testing is posted for comment to inspection professionals at Saturn Resource Management, Inc., in Montana. SRMI is an especially competent organization and source of training. SRMI publishes the best books I have found, teaching weatherization details.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here are comments to my blog postings, by SRMI bulletin-board readers, Saturn Online:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://srmi.biz/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276355506/1#1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;http://srmi.biz/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276355506/1#1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I further invite Saturn Online postings of examples that contradict my findings.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-7383365236300047781?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/7383365236300047781/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=7383365236300047781' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7383365236300047781'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7383365236300047781'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/06/problems-solved-with-blower-door.html' title='Problems Solved With a Blower Door'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-3140995387943144379</id><published>2010-06-19T07:44:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-27T15:06:40.263-07:00</updated><title type='text'>My Home Performance Test</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;While I owned, and competently operated a blower door, I of course applied it to my own house, typical, well-built, 1950's ranch-style.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TBzZSBJ_4WI/AAAAAAAABXk/1jyf-I_pLKc/s1600/GM_street.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="78" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TBzZSBJ_4WI/AAAAAAAABXk/1jyf-I_pLKc/s200/GM_street.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Here is the text of the Blower Door Test Certificate I produced:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Date: August 25, 2008&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;Baseline, My House&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;In a baseline test, all outside doors and windows are closed. If there are storm windows, they are closed. All interior doors are open. Fans and furnace are off.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;Result: Airflow at test pressure (CFM50), &lt;b&gt;1330 CFM&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;Results Commentary:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;Desirable Air Exchange: Look at air changes per hour, ACH.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;Consider ACH50, that at the minus fifty pascals test condition.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;ACH50 = CFM50*60/House Volume&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;where house volume = 8 ft height times 986 sq ft floor area, 7888 cu ft.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;ACH50 = 1330*60/7888 = 10.1.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;Compare this to a minimum value of eight for a healthy home. Some further reduction would be desirable.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;A reduction from ACH50=10.1, to ACH50= 8, is 280 CFM50. The value of that reduction, in annual heating cost, is 0.074 times change of CFM50, or $20 per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;The estimated leakage under natural conditions (ACHnat) is approximately the result of dividing the test result by twenty. ACHnat = 10.1/20 = 0.506. Compare this number to a value of 0.35 to 0.5 for a healthy home. A target blower door test result is about 921 to 1315 cfm, for the target 0.35 to 0.5 ACHnat. A reduction of 280 CFM50, to 1050 CFM50, is a shift to ACHnat from 0.506, to 0.40.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;A 280 CFM50 change corresponds to 14 CFM at natural conditions. Compare that to accelerated fresh air exchange while running a bath fan. A good bath fan for a 100 sq ft bathroom will be rated at 80 CFM. If I ran that fan four hours a day, it would average 14 CFM.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a typical house, and this is a typical result. Nothing motivating. Just a sick feeling about wasted time and effort. It is a typical home performance test overall. No other step to assess the "science" of the personal comfort and health in a home, offered in the typical hopeful "holistic" baloney. No offer to look for hidden &amp;nbsp;problem areas with an infrared camera. No thought about Radon. No thought about control of relative humidity. No duct blaster test or furnace assessment competently at-offer, if not done by a rare professional home inspector or HVAC mechanic. Just the blower door show.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The commentary is above and beyond what most home owners receive. For most, there is nothing. A number might get written on a scrap of paper. It might appear in a report. There will be no offer of "fixing" anything. A particularly diligent tester might have tsk-tsd'd at a squealing window edge, and might have even done an impermanent and inappropriate repair, with a caulk tube. Anything serious is for another contractor, who will not likely see any of the tester's report.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;If the testing is by an interest-conflicted blower of loose-fill insulation, repairs such as the so-often needed covering of &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/09/sealing-attic-floor-pits.html"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;attic floor pits&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and bringing in an electrical contractor to deal with safety and convenience issues, will be precluded by immediate burial. In my area, that crook can then submit a fudged blower door report, and pad his bill with the rebate I would have been denied for my real, diligent, hard work. The home owner will then suffer &amp;nbsp;unsaved heating costs, for many years. This is a crime of the incentives programs that exalt home performance testing. The awful wrong-headedness is &amp;nbsp; well illustrated in a flyer from Energy Trust of Oregon, perhaps from a national template for "training."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/updates-and-events/calendar/event-detail.aspx?eventid=248&amp;amp;eventdateid=695"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Weatherization Boot Camp&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-style: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: initial; outline-width: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;will teach you how to:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Reduce uncontrolled air movement by installing blown insulation materials to correct density.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal;"&gt;What does that mean? For an attic floor without buried problems, it is absurd. For an attic floor with buried problems, it is criminal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-3140995387943144379?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/3140995387943144379/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=3140995387943144379' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3140995387943144379'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3140995387943144379'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/06/my-home-performance-test.html' title='My Home Performance Test'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TBzZSBJ_4WI/AAAAAAAABXk/1jyf-I_pLKc/s72-c/GM_street.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6702799637801839584</id><published>2010-06-12T08:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-12T08:03:24.163-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A Larger Appeal Against Home Performance Testing and a BPI Mafia</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Thanks to this news item:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/updates-and-events/insidernewsletter/?article=id_46" style="color: #3366cc; font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/updates-and-events/insidernewsletter/?article=id_46&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I learned who in Oregon has interest in the competent service of home performance testers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The following, one-sided, so far, conversation results:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Sent to State of Oregon, on June 10th, 2010:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Hello Craig,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;My experience through five years of extremely diligent service as an&amp;nbsp;Energy Trust Trade Ally&amp;nbsp; is that a blower door test never beats diligent sight inspection, in finding the problems needing repair in a house. Money should never be wasted in testing distraction, by people with no competence or interest in the repairs. All sponsor and consumer money should be spent on just doing the work. I speak out on this at my blog:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;http://&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;energyconservationhowto.&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Please do not hold interest-conflicted and often dishonest home performance inspectors, to a lower standard than professional home inspectors.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;My Signature Here&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sent June 12th, 2010:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hello again, Craig,&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My post to you has inspired fine-tuning of this web page:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/diligence" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;http://sites.google.com/site/&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;diligence&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/diligence" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Please find me a competent critic of the snake oil as a national problem, in the clean-shirt job creation, and terrible waste and diversion from real work, of home performance testing. Someone must speak the truth. It will not be a suckered home performance tester. We learned at the last Energy Trust Residential Round Table, that despite the interest conflicted activity of groups like Energy Trust, the volume of testing is at an all-time low. Consumers see the truth. Professional home inspectors are right to fight the dilution of their opportunities to serve and survive, by people who know little and do not deserve credentials. They do cheat, to crank out that expected-but-impossible 300 CFM50 reduction. They know little else than possibly the setup of a blower door.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I sought defense of testing at BPI, and think I was consciously given a runaround. Here is the reply to a phone call, asking for examples, and reporting-for-comment, heard assertion of a "BPI Mafia."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do you find any examples of usefulness in home performance testing by the links? I surely will not talk with&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://econtc.com/" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;econtc&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;people, the worst creators of excess and marginal testers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;begin copy="" insertion=""&gt;&lt;/begin&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Good morning Mr. Norman,&amp;nbsp; I would like to direct you to Jeff Catlin&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="mailto:jeff.catlin@econtc.com" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;jeff.catlin@econtc.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;and Kyle Chase&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="mailto:kyle.chase@econtc.com" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;kyle.chase@econtc.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;because they are in Portland and would be happy to provide you with case studies and insight into the value of testing in and testing out of a home.&amp;nbsp; I would like for you to go to&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.affordablecomfort.org/" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;www.affordablecomfort.org&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;for a look at testimonials and content from a national perspective.&amp;nbsp; I wanted to find one sample but all of the information shared was great.&amp;nbsp; There are some interviews from 2009 that may give insight to your questions.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Another site is&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.energy.gov/recovery/faces" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;www.energy.gov/recovery/&lt;wbr&gt;&lt;/wbr&gt;faces&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&amp;nbsp; The bottom video National Weatherization Conference is great.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;I personally have witnessed energy savings of 65% and more, comfort levels never experienced and saved lives over the last 20+ years!&amp;nbsp; Simple test in and test out does work. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;In my opinion, you could choose to partner with others that provide the diagnostic testing and proposal development and provide the service that you specialize in.&amp;nbsp; I hope this helps and please let me know if you have questions.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Thank you, Vikki &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: windowtext;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Vikki Murphy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Director of Affiliate Development&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Building Performance Institute, Inc. (&lt;span style="background-color: #ffff88;"&gt;BPI&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;877-274-1274 Ext 106 (Toll Free)&lt;a href="http://c.com/" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;c.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;518-899-2727 Ext 106 (Office)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;518-899-1622 (Fax)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;518-331-8965 (Cell)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.bpi.org/" style="color: #0000cc; font-weight: bold;" target="_blank"&gt;www.&lt;span style="background-color: #ffff88;"&gt;bpi&lt;/span&gt;.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Training, Accreditation, Quality Assurance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: transparent; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;My Signature Here&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="im" style="color: #500050;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6702799637801839584?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6702799637801839584/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6702799637801839584' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6702799637801839584'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6702799637801839584'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/06/larger-appeal-against-home-performance_119.html' title='A Larger Appeal Against Home Performance Testing and a BPI Mafia'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2344422942115380415</id><published>2010-06-10T21:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-12T06:42:10.365-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Plywood Baffles</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="sites-canvas-main" id="sites-canvas-main" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; min-height: 150px; padding-bottom: 5px;"&gt;&lt;div id="sites-canvas-main-content"&gt;&lt;table cellspacing="0" class="sites-layout-name-one-column sites-layout-hbox" style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; table-layout: fixed; width: 1739px;" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="sites-layout-tile sites-tile-name-content-1" style="padding-bottom: 10px; padding-left: 10px; padding-right: 10px; padding-top: 10px; vertical-align: top;"&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr"&gt;I have lately been putting energy into my &lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/"&gt;web pages&lt;/a&gt;, instead of this&lt;br /&gt;blog. Since more&amp;nbsp;people&amp;nbsp;come here, I should transfer web site&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;information&amp;nbsp;sometimes,&amp;nbsp;to be in both places.&amp;nbsp;I apologize for the&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;redundancy, and will do&amp;nbsp;this with limits.&amp;nbsp;Here is a first installment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Plywood Baffles&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I no longer accept that expanded polystyrene or cardboard baffles&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;have&amp;nbsp;acceptable&amp;nbsp;durability. Cardboard baffles see driven moisture,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;and decompose.&amp;nbsp;At elevated&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;temperature,&amp;nbsp;EPS evaporates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1732.JPG?attredirects=0" imageanchor="1" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial; color: #4e7dbf; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="400" src="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/_/rsrc/1268388011341/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1732.JPG?height=400&amp;amp;width=300" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;" width="300" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1732.JPG?attredirects=0" imageanchor="1" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial; color: #4e7dbf; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial;"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This baffle for 24" oc 2x4 roof joists, has dimensions 22" x 24".&lt;br /&gt;Plywood is 1/2" thickness CDX.&amp;nbsp;3/8" thickness is ample for future&lt;br /&gt;jobs.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1735.JPG?attredirects=0" imageanchor="1" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial; color: #4e7dbf; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="300" src="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/_/rsrc/1268388011341/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1735.JPG?height=300&amp;amp;width=400" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1735.JPG?attredirects=0" imageanchor="1" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial; color: #4e7dbf; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial;"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I place top-layer insulation batts, here Johns Manville AU333, R19,&lt;br /&gt;24" x 48", all the way&amp;nbsp;out to the exterior wall. The adjacent baffle here&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;will be withdrawn and reset, to place the&amp;nbsp;next batt.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1738.JPG?attredirects=0" imageanchor="1" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial; color: #4e7dbf; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="300" src="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/_/rsrc/1268388011341/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1738.JPG?height=300&amp;amp;width=400" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/plywood-baffles/IMG_1738.JPG?attredirects=0" imageanchor="1" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial; color: #4e7dbf; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial;"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Here is a look down into a finished vent pocket. Insulation under the&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;baffle is protected&amp;nbsp;against soaking or other insult, by driven weather.&lt;br /&gt;I will learn to shorten nearest baffle&amp;nbsp;support legs, to give a little more&lt;br /&gt;room for insulation. This baffle clearance is much larger&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;than area in&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;the soffit screen.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2344422942115380415?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2344422942115380415/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2344422942115380415' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2344422942115380415'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2344422942115380415'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/06/plywood-baffles.html' title='Plywood Baffles'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-1017418833532863265</id><published>2010-04-24T11:49:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-11T21:37:04.226-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Playing Along, to Get Along?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I just can't imagine the good after all, in pretending BPA and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Energy Trust of Oregon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt; have an intention other than the destruction of HB2626, in the way&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cleanenergyworksportland.org/" style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Portland's Clean Energy Works&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;is now implemented. Who will &lt;a href="https://www.cleanenergyworksportland.org/applyNote.php"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;pay $900&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to play? In the hopeful previous post, I offered that living with programs as-implemented could bring progress. Now I have tested my advice, proceeding to the offending page.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;What does a bank have to do with it anyway, hauling away $300? I don't want to help &lt;a href="http://www.sbpac.com/bins/site/templates/subtemplate.asp?_resolutionfile=templatespath|subtemplate.asp&amp;amp;area_2=Story%20Cat%20Pages/Ecological%20Resilience&amp;amp;norelay_place=here&amp;amp;objectid=C14925290&amp;amp;articletitle=Getting+Rich,+Slowly&amp;amp;norelay_ai=63466A4C0F2D4743A7ED1DBB178DFBB5&amp;amp;norelay_reset=false&amp;amp;NC=3X"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Alan Lebovitz get rich slowly by cutting down big trees on steep slopes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. How does he know that a hacked slope is resilient?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;A home performance test is almost always wasted at the outset of a weatherization project. Problems are found and solved by-sight. While I owned a blower door, home owners played along with mild disinterest in a useless show, where I never earned a penny or a point of goodwill. Home performance contractors don't even employ infrared thermography, where exaggerated conditions might reveal truly hidden problems.&amp;nbsp;This further taking of $300 is an awful attempt to further value the wrong-headed investment some contractors have made to be both general contractor, and home inspector, &amp;nbsp;in &amp;nbsp;forced establishment of conflicts of interest.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/energy-performance-scores"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Where I was involved with an Energy Trust pilot program&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, the testing just confused the home owner, to inaction. When I finally served that home owner and criticized Energy Trust, I was treated by Energy Trust, as incompetent. The improved conditions that relate to home valuation remain untested. I ask for independent judgement of where incompetence comes, in the piling on of tests, for no expected result or good. Isn't the piling on of tests much of the problem in run amuck healthcare, too?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;The final $300 is&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #757575;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;to cover your Energy Advocate and administrative services; both of these assessment fees are generally covered by cash incentives made available through the Energy Trust of Oregon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;I don't understand this statem&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;nt, but see it as class warfare. "If you need a loan we don't want to serve you." &amp;nbsp;There is never a fee for handling give-away of public purpose funds, in rebates. The fee makes no sense at all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;How can pilot programs exclude people with oil heat, or wood, or none?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-1017418833532863265?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/1017418833532863265/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=1017418833532863265' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1017418833532863265'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1017418833532863265'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/04/playing-along-to-get-along.html' title='Playing Along, to Get Along?'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-4779909355254994202</id><published>2010-04-20T04:39:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-24T06:24:18.087-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Moving S.1574,  Hyperlinked Explanation</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;I support an email campaign to bring S.1574 out of the US Senate,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. The following then, will be edited reference material.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;People of Portland's&amp;nbsp;Inner Eastside&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sos.state.or.us/elections/DistrictMaps/HouseMaps/hd42.pdf"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Legislative House District 42&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;have an involved and energetic State Representative, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Bailey"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Jules Kopel Bailey&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;He has chosen to begin a political career living in and representing a neighborhood where residents can often choose a car-free lifestyle Portland is proud of. Here, there are streams of fairly-safe bicycle commuters. It is Hummer Hell. With this, you already know Jules politics.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I have noticed Jules because of his sponsorship of an alternative to regressive handout of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #4c1130;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.oregon.gov/PUC/consumer/Public_Purpose_Charge.pdf"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Oregon's Public Purpose Fund&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;We have the common 3% "tax" in electric and gas utility bills "that goes for&amp;nbsp;energy conservation, renewable resource, and low income&amp;nbsp;energy programs." Many people are left out in the distribution of this money, notably renters in a drafty home whose owner is not inspired, or simply awakened, to do right. Anyone, regardless of income, can find difficulty in setting aside cash-up-front to pay that good contractor of weatherization, or even to buy materials for competent DIY. The work not happening as a result, is huge. The continuing waste of energy is shameful. Catastrophic? I think so.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;The highly experienced and wannabe, qualified workers are not seeing jobs bragged-of with "&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;recovery&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;" funds already in the hundreds of billions. What is wrong? Why does my rebate organization see a downturn in consumer action following a free energy audit? I think Jules knows.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.julesfororegon.com/cgi-bin/display.cgi?page=bio"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Jules&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt; has regular coffee shop meetings with constituents, unlike most of our representatives. I attended one six months ago, and properly stayed out of the busy conversation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://theenergycollective.com/Podcasts/46909"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt; in Jules' own words is the inspiration of legislation that surely is more important to Oregon, than our first-state &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Bottle_Bill"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Bottle Bill&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;. The new bill to be proud of as Oregonians, is &lt;a href="http://www.oregon.gov/ENERGY/LOANS/EEAST/index.shtml"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;HB2626, the Energy Efficiency and Sustainable Technology (EEAST) Act of 2009&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Did you listen to the &lt;a href="http://theenergycollective.com/Podcasts/46909"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;podcast&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;? If you live in Portland, and "can't afford" that weatherization investment that would be repaid in five years, why wouldn't you now apply to be part of the measly-so-far implementation, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cleanenergyworksportland.org/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Portland's Clean Energy Works&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;? If you live somewhere else, will you do your part to move forward corresponding national law? That law is drafted so far as&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:s1574:" style="color: #0000cc;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;S.1574&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;, Clean Energy for Homes Act of 2009,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;introduced by my former state representative, and now US Senator, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Merkley"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Jeff Merkley&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Oregon needs to act quickly to rescue public investment funds from the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2010/04/oregon_treasury_employees_wine.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;sure hazards of Wall Street&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;.All such Oregon Treasury funds should be turned over, as incrementally drawn, to weatherization funding.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;All Oregonians, and people everywhere, should do their part to advance up-front weatherization funding, by employing and improving HB2626 programs, and by getting involved with S.1574.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Oregonians should message their senators, asking for return of S.1574 from committee. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://merkley.senate.gov/contact/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Senator Merkley&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue;"&gt;Senator Wyden&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;The people of Portland first, and then quickly all of us, should take part in and critique programs as they emerge.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; 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I do acknowledge more background growing from Portland, Oregon, and out to the world. I think it is odd that there isn't a more-populous hub.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Consider this find:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nwcouncil.org/rtf/supportingdata/ptcs/PTCSDuctSpecs_FY09v2_0.doc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;http://www.nwcouncil.org/rtf/supportingdata/ptcs/PTCSDuctSpecs_FY09v2_0.doc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With this current document as an example, we see all the links: &lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/Energy/N/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Bonneville Power Administration&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nwcouncil.org/rtf/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Regional Technical Forum&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Energy Trust of Oregon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/Energy/N/Projects/PTCS/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;PTCS/ Ecos Consulting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, all in Portland and all because Bonneville Dam near Portland, is a hub of the continuing claim of federal forces to conscience on waste of power in homes and industry. Kill salmon, and compensate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The linked Word document is then a statement to the world, claiming BPA authority to the nation through nothing but a very-simple and sloppily-maintained database, on certain weatherization measures focused on heat pump HVAC ducting, for all utility rebate support of heating duct new-construction and weatherization. PTCS, Performance Tested Comfort Systems, taxes every wannabe duct weatherizer or trainer something like $400 for class attendance that can not really comprise their training and competence as mechanic of a heat pump or any air-convection furnace or air conditioner. It is big business for a lot of stake-claiming people with clean hands and shirts. I'm thinking there is enough money involved, unregulated by its origin from sometimes-desperate people, that we will learn interesting things about distribution, as in encouraging more utilities to join the game.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It all just hurts me.My moral antenna has been up from first thought of attending PTCS instruction. I'm sacrificing to serve the public. I will never understand who feels entitled to take money from me for sharing of secrets of duct maintenance that should be pushed hand-over-hand, to anyone.I have always known a duct blaster is useless to me in doing my good service of making attics useful. I have spoken against over-reaching proscription of UL181 foil tape, where I HAD to use it on duct joints. In reaction, I have been slow to employ much-cheaper and suitable mastic on the few joints I have assembled. I find PTCS appalling.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now then, on to my current altercation with the whole PTCS apparatus, through my rebates manager. I want honor, not dissing, for extremely inventive and dedicated work, with much personal sacrifice. I can not melt away, giving up. So, I have studied project details, first reporting here, on new Portland-Insider offer to the world of their services with rival home rating software and a stream of auditors, of &lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/energy-performance-scores"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;EPS, Energy Performance Score&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Suspicious of tight relation to PTCS, I have declined to "vote" for PTCS as a national standard. I report a personal involvement that is quite unhappy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Malfunction of PTCS in the reported project includes waste of two complete rounds of duct blaster and blower door tests, unrelated to present, repaired, conditions in a home. Worse, the PTCS report of duct sealing calls PASS, where there was failure. For whatever reason ducts must pass&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nwcouncil.org/rtf/supportingdata/ptcs/PTCSDuctSpecs_FY09v2_0.doc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;test 6.3 here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, the home in fact fails. It is probably-unconscious cheating, by which leakage reduction by more than half came from resetting the detached main warm air duct dumping furnace heat to the crawl space, undetected in the first test visit. By the alternative rule 6.3.3.1, a house of 914 sf floor area should have not more than 91 CFM50 duct leakage. The twice-tested "passing" result was about 200 CFM50. I admit not seeing where leakage might be cut by half, unless the further measures I applied, in furnace interface through large leakage of the garage ceiling, were sufficient. If they were, there are very subtle things about duct blaster tests that might confuse anyone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not the one with egg-on-face, who should be backing down on role in a customer deserving rebates for work excellence..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have raised the stakes to a higher level, affirming only what I have said here, in a message to the &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://oregonbusinessreport.com/2009/04/senator-larry-george-sees-conflict-of-interest-on-energy-trust/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Oregon State Senator who has recently been critical of &amp;nbsp;conflicts of interest at play in my rebate organization&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The subsequent day has been troubling for me. I first spent hours studying &lt;a href="http://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/HB2626/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Oregon's HB 2626&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; for relevance to me, and becoming sobered by the complexity of progress. I think I have much to offer in something grander than Oregon's "Bottle Bill" example to the nation. It hurts to be excluded, for not being a cooperative player.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-630398580340939100?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/630398580340939100/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=630398580340939100' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/630398580340939100'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/630398580340939100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/04/still-stuck-on-ptcs-for-eps-pilot.html' title='Still Stuck on PTCS For An EPS Pilot Project'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-4313833791815169764</id><published>2010-04-02T04:55:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-02T04:55:02.176-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Blogging vs. Professional Conduct</title><content type='html'>I allow personal needs and emotions to drive blog entries, yet feel serious restraint of professionalism as I speak through my business web page. I think the difference is in seeking of conversation through Comments. If I provoke, I may be poked back, and I want that exchange. I will try to be constructive and kind. Sometimes I will not want an exchange, because comments are indelible except by deleting a blog post. The blog author has rights and obligations in letting a topic stand, and in editing the basic post from comments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An example of the difference is in a &lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/worker-safety"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;just-entered web site post on respirators for insulation workers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. I made a similar entry in this blog more than a year ago. Someone preferred his brand. I made an embarrassing typo in a comment to the comment. And, I was off the air for that year-plus. Respirators seem to be a sensitive issue, and I may want new comments here.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-4313833791815169764?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/4313833791815169764/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=4313833791815169764' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4313833791815169764'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4313833791815169764'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/04/blogging-vs-professional-conduct.html' title='Blogging vs. Professional Conduct'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6522234814536223992</id><published>2010-03-31T00:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-04T08:40:53.110-07:00</updated><title type='text'>PTCS Duct Sealing</title><content type='html'>PTCS allows this (next photos), as a way to fix ducts, as long as the repair is preceded and followed by a duct blaster test. I read of the allowance of detachment somewhere. Wouldn't you think such an issue would be loudly presented for public debate and enforcement if PTCS were real? No. If they have something to teach, it is kept secret. My rebate organization is unhappy with my condemnation of PTCS as a mere figment of someone's imagination. A half-baked set of rules mainly demanding rote use of expensive tests, that a wary consumer will not allow. Must not pay for. Must not be paid out of funds collected for real weatherization.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/weatherization/duct-sealing/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;My rebate organization knows better, (see DS 1.3)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and a competent worker, not just "PTCS certified", would not do this. Yet my rebate organization exalts and defends PTCS and deeply hurts me financially, as a protester. I can not be regarded as a person competent to repair ducts, defending a customer's rebate claim. With my disdain of duct blasting, I am expected to call in a real PTCS person, and stay away from those mysterious ducts. I am expected to shut up, and find some other campaign and livelihood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;I have not altered the found misalignment. The applied mesh and goop were not bonded to the duct, but until someone again stepped on the obtrusive duct, it was not leaking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7Lx35yN_AI/AAAAAAAABOI/Ah_FwT3ABAk/s1600/IMG_1632.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="150" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7Lx35yN_AI/AAAAAAAABOI/Ah_FwT3ABAk/s200/IMG_1632.JPG" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7Lx4N1D7BI/AAAAAAAABOM/vM7WZzCuoGE/s1600/IMG_1633.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="150" src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7Lx4N1D7BI/AAAAAAAABOM/vM7WZzCuoGE/s200/IMG_1633.JPG" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7Lx5c_fZrI/AAAAAAAABOY/tNExfO1df9Y/IMG_1694_crop.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="136" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7Lx5c_fZrI/AAAAAAAABOY/tNExfO1df9Y/IMG_1694_crop.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The replacement of that awful duct, and others horribly in the way of storage, and in danger, does not meet PTCS requirements because I will not honor PTCS and support its tax on good trainers and technicians, by paying up and joining the "program." I then am barred from supporting a rebate application for my customer for all of the air sealing that was wanting in this home, done with meticulous, documented, reported diligence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An unsupportable consequence to consumers of demanded performance-based weatherization (the "P" in PTCS), is that they are expected to pay the cost of multiple sets of tests argued as determining maintenance needs, when visual examination is the true guide of judgement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People are blessed with PTCS listing, for attending classroom instruction and paying a typical amount of $400. The&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.ptcsnw.com/Technicians.aspx"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;listing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;contains no test of employer or customer verification of competence. The money is so misspent, that listings are not screened for typos, and important parameters of certifications and distance from the searcher are not bothered-with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I relented in my distancing from PTCS, for a time last November. I paid the $400 for a class, but called the instructor to advise that I intended only to at last gain revelation of taught sealing and wrapping methods, perhaps blabbing them. I would not compete with HVAC professionals, called to test in&amp;nbsp;rare justified circumstances,&amp;nbsp;who might have competence through frequent use a duct blaster. The instructor advised me to get my money back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is strange and unfair that a weatherization contractor must have a PTCS listing to claim any rebate for his customer, for &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/09/sealing-attic-floor-pits.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;diligent air sealing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;that has nothing to do with ducts, or even with house infiltration. The involved &lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/residential/incentives/Weatherization/AirSealing"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;300 CFM50 performance limit&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is especially subject to fudging of blower door results.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An answer to my frustration with twisted rebate rules, is to eliminate all rebates, where all worthy measures are simply&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/01/fairness-public-purpose-fund.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;funded up-front&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anyone has earned a $100 rebate for duct insulation, it is in the job with reported duct reconstruction. The work includes innovative, very excellent insulation of all of the attic return-air ducts. Here is "before."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7L2K_aZVJI/AAAAAAAABOg/J-Tf0PsMoMI/s1600/IMG_1590.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7L2K_aZVJI/AAAAAAAABOg/J-Tf0PsMoMI/s320/IMG_1590.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is "after."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7L2LHjpaEI/AAAAAAAABOk/xiQk2Y1uzPk/s1600/IMG_1890.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7L2LHjpaEI/AAAAAAAABOk/xiQk2Y1uzPk/s320/IMG_1890.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I call the work innovative, because it is a first-ever-anywhere durable wrap with &lt;a href="http://www.jm.com/insulation/building_insulation/products/bic447_basement_wall_insulation.pdf"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Johns Manville R11 Basement Wall Insulation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, with a suitable tape. The tape sold with this wrap is &lt;a href="http://www.venturetape.com/product.php?productid=1308&amp;amp;cat=0&amp;amp;page=1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Venture Tape 1537WMP-VR&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, which has chancy bonding. I think frequent bond failure is due to mold release on the wrap polypropylene skin.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have a trusted supplier of tapes for &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/01/conditioned-crawl-space-first.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;conditioned crawl space&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; ground covering.&lt;a href="http://www.americover.com/16_mil_reinforced_fire_rated_goldentouch_779_prd1.htm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Vapor-Bond tape by Americover is excellent here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. It even sticks reliably to slippery goop found slathered on these ducts. There the Venture tape never sticks. The Americover tape is far more convenient, since it just peels from a roll. Separating paper backing from the unsuitable tape takes a lot of care.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7MAg-tGIJI/AAAAAAAABOs/flfLIzBr33Q/s1600/IMG_1703.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7MAg-tGIJI/AAAAAAAABOs/flfLIzBr33Q/s200/IMG_1703.JPG" width="150" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;I want the sealing and insulation methods advocated by PTCS to be issued to the public, where they have merit. What has BPA done with public funds for weatherization, that should better instruct the public on duct sealing than &lt;a href="http://www.bpa.gov/energy/N/energy_tips/weatherization/PipesDucts.cfm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;this&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Duct tape! Use duct tape! Can you believe it?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6522234814536223992?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6522234814536223992/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6522234814536223992' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6522234814536223992'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6522234814536223992'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/03/ptcs-duct-sealing.html' title='PTCS Duct Sealing'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/S7Lx35yN_AI/AAAAAAAABOI/Ah_FwT3ABAk/s72-c/IMG_1632.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-8333570279236193859</id><published>2010-02-04T10:16:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-03-14T12:17:12.269-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Musings on Assumed Powers in Weatherization</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I find little comfort in my authorization to anticipate revised Energy Trust rules, that do not conform to rules expressed in the International Energy Conservation Code, IECC, published by the International Code Council.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Will &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/02/cure-for-tarp-madness.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;a State Parks person&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; believe me? If a policeman told me to ignore an absurd no-parking sign, would I? Energy Trust and Oregon Department of Energy are free to write their own rules, adopting or not and modifying the IECC-of-the-day (current 2009). If they will not influence ICC in the matter of service door sealing and insulation, I must try on-my-own. I have missed a June 2009 closure for changes in 2012. I will see what I can do.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-8333570279236193859?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/8333570279236193859/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=8333570279236193859' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8333570279236193859'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/8333570279236193859'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/02/musings-on-assumed-powers-in.html' title='Musings on Assumed Powers in Weatherization'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-7052661226639182295</id><published>2010-02-03T19:45:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-03-17T21:12:28.185-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Portal Rules Considered By Energy Trust</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I invested today in a meeting with rule experts at Energy Trust of Oregon. With promise of pending rules revision, I am told to go ahead and make/ sell &amp;gt;R5 portals. I will take this to mean use of maximum insulation within a structure thickness of about 2", where there is available hinge and latch hardware. I will aim for R7, with 1 1/2" EPS foam panels, 1/8" MDF facings, about 1 7/8" thickness, and a minimum of wood spacers and supports. Where I employ found manufactured attic ladders with a common 1" insulated door thickness, the claimed R5 will be sufficient.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Rules are not revised for makeshift weatherization. A crummy uninsulated ladder will have to be covered with an R10 tarp, hoping for floor sealing. There will be no interest in disparaging the "American" products. &amp;nbsp;If a found kneewall closet door is weatherized, it must be gasketed, and somehow dressed with about 3 1/2" EPS foam, or fiberglass batting, to R15, but I can install my door that is ample R7. I can offer a sleek R7 two-inch thickness factory-built ceiling portal cover, but a coper with found wood or drywall covers, will need to stick on R30 insulation, somehow. If the builder of Oregon State Park cabins is called to fix floor hatches, he will be obliged to get that 4" block of urethane foam to stay on this time, somehow, and this time somehow intimate with the wood.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;An aspect of this decision is doing nothing to restrict sale of junky products at lowest-possible price, the American way. Reformed quality requirements for outside doors will not apply to attic ladders. Builders may continue to throw up a piece of drywall in a ceiling-access hole, leaving a problem to be coped-with by an insulation installer, who MUST invent something. In a parallel non-correction, a handyman may continue to pocket another dollar, installing a non-IC can light, sold with no restrictions, no store-shelf warnings. I must twist the customer's arm to replace that can light at the full dollar-more cost, when I insulate that attic and refuse to use the insulation barrier &lt;a href="http://energytrust.org/trade-ally/weatherization/attic-insulation/#at1_6"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;suggested by Energy Trust as a preferred method&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I should be happy that I can shame the coper competition, which does not show up, at the Better Living Show. Somehow, I am not. I dearly wanted a simple R5 rule for all home service penetrations, with no special mention of attic, closet and crawl space doors.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;I will take non-contradiction of this post as my rule authority.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-7052661226639182295?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/7052661226639182295/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=7052661226639182295' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7052661226639182295'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7052661226639182295'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/02/portal-rules-blessed-by-energy-trust.html' title='Portal Rules Considered By Energy Trust'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-1824023613411826768</id><published>2010-02-03T01:41:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-03T05:34:00.110-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Utility Liens</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;In a new world of utility-supported weatherization, there will be no rebates as incentives. There will be offer of up-front financing of qualified projects, for anyone. What then is fair for those who have the means and desire, to invest their own money? By joining the program, their measures are tracked for detectable savings. There is some hassle, but it is worth it. Tracking involves some fund debit from their utility payments. Those who need the money can get up to 100%, with corresponding draw from utility bills, and they do not see the immediate benefit of the measure in monthly cash flow.&amp;nbsp;Those who can do the investment themselves might choose a "Utility Lien" in up-front cash, of an amount as little as 10% of the measure cost. For all, the distribution of energy-saving investment funds, is described as a "Utility Lien." No consumer gets to keep these funds. Whatever amount they need is interest-free.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;Where a project is self-funded, the money is a tax-advantaged investment. There will be advantage in self-funding as much as possible, up to 90%. The monitored investment program shields against claiming weatherization tax credits for unqualified projects. We move on from an unfair world where tax credits are the only federal offer, for people who earn too little to be taxed. We also stop abuse of tax credits, for things like pie in the sky, and tarps. For all, it is a fresh, new program. The current program has been around for years, and for some has been exhausted without completion of all now-qualifying programs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/12/clean-energy-works-portland.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Senator Merkley&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: What can we do to help?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-1824023613411826768?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/1824023613411826768/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=1824023613411826768' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1824023613411826768'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1824023613411826768'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/02/utility-liens.html' title='Utility Liens'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-1762572938824389363</id><published>2010-02-03T01:24:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-05T19:01:14.300-08:00</updated><title type='text'>A Cure for Tarp Madness</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;The issue with house service and convenience features, other than outside-wall windows and doors, is to not miss opportunity to save some energy, and to not allow conditions that rot. Think of a circuit breaker panel set into an outside wall. It is a blind penetration that won't let in any life-giving light. Therefore the minimum associated weatherization is air-tightness, and total R5 for that area of the wall, to be achieved outside the panel. It stays clean and dry, at near the temperature of the conditioned space. There &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a vapor barrier, that is beneficial wherever you live. In Louisiana, or Port Aransas, Texas, humid outside air is not condensing under influence of your AC. In Barrow, Alaska, the space is not below the dew point in coldest winter, and sucking down the consequences of a little household health-giving humidity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;In keeping with this intelligent diligence, I am allowed, even openly encouraged, to stop at R5 as I construct and sell attic and crawl space portals. Yes, they are air-tight. They further stop passage of humidity. No plop-batt sops. Not the site-build failure I found in a wonderful state-park cabin floor. (Please see&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #20124d;"&gt;A Failed Floor Portal&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;, among pdf Offerings, at my &lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/pdf-offerings?pli=1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;web page&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-1762572938824389363?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/1762572938824389363/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=1762572938824389363' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1762572938824389363'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1762572938824389363'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/02/cure-for-tarp-madness.html' title='A Cure for Tarp Madness'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-4197025575901997178</id><published>2010-02-02T03:22:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-02T03:22:29.138-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Tarp Madness</title><content type='html'>A world of window and door tarps!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Can you imagine the wonderful opportunities for businesses like &lt;a href="http://www.essnrg.com/how_it_works.html#"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;ESS&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.batticdoor.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Battic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, if rule-makers would herd the innocent to them, with R10, R15 or even R49 rules for all house openings. Think of all the energy to be saved!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-4197025575901997178?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/4197025575901997178/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=4197025575901997178' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4197025575901997178'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4197025575901997178'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/02/tarp-madness.html' title='Tarp Madness'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6555706481834328170</id><published>2010-01-30T05:18:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-05T06:25:40.610-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Energy Star Attic Ladders</title><content type='html'>I wonder if the rebate-organization indifference toward the wonderful attic ladders I install, insulated to R5 and better like any Energy Star rated outside door, has anything to do with lack of Energy Star rating.&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=products.pr_find_es_products"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;EPA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; has not bothered to consider attic ladders and portals among candidate building products.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My organization gets excited only about the tarps, which excuse continued sale of leaky and uninsulated ladders. The tarps are among home sealing products that EPA does consider, however I see no evidence any manufacturer associated with attic access is an Energy Star Partner. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have tried an&lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;amp;source=hp&amp;amp;q=energy+star+attic+ladder&amp;amp;btnG=Google+Search&amp;amp;aq=f&amp;amp;aqi=&amp;amp;oq="&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;internet search of the title of this post&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. If I keep going down that list, I will probably find every crummy cover. I don't think I will find my industrious manufacturers in Poland, Czech Republic and Sweden, who have not claimed rating. On Day One of this post, &amp;nbsp;a big-box store had an advertisement-paid high position, with no R5 attic ladder on its shelves. It seems Google has responded to fix that. Remarkable!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6555706481834328170?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6555706481834328170/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6555706481834328170' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6555706481834328170'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6555706481834328170'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/01/energy-star-attic-ladders.html' title='Energy Star Attic Ladders'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-4008522338651019307</id><published>2010-01-29T19:31:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-01-31T19:50:27.890-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Diligence, Zeal, or Neither</title><content type='html'>These requirements of Oregon's Energy Trust are not attainable without unjustified cost and inconvenience:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: georgia; line-height: 20px;"&gt; &amp;gt;R30 for a ceiling portal, &amp;gt;R15 for a wall portal, and &amp;gt;R10 for a drop-down ladder.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;Further, they are not required by &lt;a href="http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/CONS/Codes/cdres.shtml"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Oregon's implementation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; of the 2008 International Energy Conservation Code, IECC. The "real" rules say only that an outside door must be U less than 0.2, R5. The special case of an attic access is not addressed. Volunteering  more-restrictive rules for a path under less thermal stress makes no sense. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;There are precedents for the zeal, excused as diligence.  The parent IECC  seems to say:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;  - - - well, I can't even copy and paste. This is retyped from a read-only&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energycodes.info/Code%20Q%20and%20A_files/MAJOR%20CHANGES%20BETWEEN%20THE%202006%20AND%202009%20IECC.pdf"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;summary&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Section 402.2.3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;Requires attic access hatches and doors from conditioned space to unconditioned space to be weatherstripped and insulated to the level equivalent to the assembly where it is located.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;How mean that one must pay&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.iccsafe.org/Store/Pages/Product.aspx?category=7130&amp;amp;cat=ICCSafe&amp;amp;id=3800X09"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;ICC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; $34 to do more than glimpse a snippet of the rules they presume to impose on the public.  I wonder if ICC will now sue me for posting the paraphrased summary words without copy protection. (I started to join ICC, to at last buy and read IECC codes, last December. That failed when I could not get the no-cost pdf download that should be freely available, along with the probably-slim print copy gratis with $100 membership.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 20px;"&gt;Energy Trust of Oregon has spared me some of the sting of the IECC zeal, but remains zealous compared to Oregon Department of Energy. Some inspectors holding IECC, and some state authorities impose the full R38 or R49 floor requirement, for an attic portal. Still, I &amp;nbsp;see the rules including even R10 for an attic ladder not as diligence, or zeal, but as a heedless  endorsement of tarps. In majority, the public does not go along. Tarp sales are slow. I will never touch one.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-4008522338651019307?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/4008522338651019307/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=4008522338651019307' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4008522338651019307'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4008522338651019307'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/01/diligence-zeal-or-neither.html' title='Diligence, Zeal, or Neither'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-651263096500203834</id><published>2010-01-05T03:33:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-01-05T03:53:21.106-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Fairness, The Public Purpose Fund</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/oregon_lawmakers_eye_energy_tr.html"&gt;Oregon's Public Purpose Fund&lt;/a&gt; was not created as another trick to boost utility profit or to create jobs, or to promote some favored business or new green technology. A need was seen to help people to do right with power consumption for home heating (and not cooling, especially). Some people need a message, or direct help, to get weatherization done first, and then to use greener power. Only by handing out help up-front where needed, do the funds go fairly to all people. Where funds are offered only as rebates, they go only to the wise who are both thrifty and more-affluent. They need instead to go to all equally, even to the unwise. It is not fair to take money from the unwise or unfortunate, and give some back only if they have the savings or take out a home equity loan, to do the good thing. It is especially unfair to take the money in utility fees paid by renters, who have no way of getting any back.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Of course the justification to anyone of a public purpose fund, is that utilities to some degree, and all of us to a larger degree, are better off, when energy is not wasted. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-651263096500203834?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/651263096500203834/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=651263096500203834' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/651263096500203834'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/651263096500203834'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2010/01/fairness-public-purpose-fund.html' title='Fairness, The Public Purpose Fund'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-5624613476963502886</id><published>2009-12-07T06:05:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-09T06:28:17.194-08:00</updated><title type='text'>An End of Rebates, A New Job for Rebate Organizations</title><content type='html'>If we secure the needed investment funding in Oregon, weatherization retrofits will become just a matter of conscience and cause, with all qualifying projects funded interest-free. A flood of work will be released. Organizations employing power through handout of rebates, will be reinvented. They will find plenty of work in supervising the qualification of projects, and supervising the just conduct of the large amount of work yet to be done, to stop being a wasteful nation. &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I don't think homeowners not on the edge, ever needed rebates as cause for action. It was just a matter of fairness. To not miss out on money a more clever or careful person might find. Kind of like the bargaining for low air fare. We never minded contributing to survival of our needed carrier. We just didn't want to pay more than someone else. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, some who have drawn rebate money as a permanent drain of the Public Purpose Fund, might wish to reinvest their energy savings to help others. That 3% tax on utility bills should accumulate hereafter, being let out only on interest-free loan. If the fund is a growing pool, it will not be seen as available for &lt;a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/oregon_lawmakers_eye_energy_tr.html"&gt;other government needs&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-5624613476963502886?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/5624613476963502886/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=5624613476963502886' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/5624613476963502886'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/5624613476963502886'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/12/end-of-rebates-new-job-for-rebate.html' title='An End of Rebates, A New Job for Rebate Organizations'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-376850528335380481</id><published>2009-12-04T08:23:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-06T21:00:58.835-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Clean Energy Works Portland</title><content type='html'>Oregon has a very promising young politician, State Representative Jules Kopel-Bailey, serving Inner Southeast Portland neighborhoods. Through his leadership, Oregon has a new initiative for enabling weatherization in homes, enacted as the Clean Energy Fund.  Listen to a Podcast &lt;a href="http://theenergycollective.com/Podcasts/46909"&gt;here,&lt;/a&gt; where goals are simply expressed, in an interview conducted by Jesse Jenkins, of The Energy Collective.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is the enacting legislation , &lt;a href="http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2600.dir/hb2626.intro.pdf"&gt;HB 2626 of the 2009 Oregon legislative session&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And, here is a longer &lt;a href="http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2600.dir/hb2626.c.pdf"&gt;"C-Engrossed" version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Progress in this plan is at a snail pace. Here is a small public enactment within City of Portland, as &lt;a href="http://www.cleanenergyworksportland.org/"&gt;Clean Energy Works.&lt;/a&gt; A pilot program has expired. There is nothing to &lt;i&gt;apply&lt;/i&gt; for. Where is the commitment to action? There was one publicity posting of a pilot project in The Oregonian, as presented &lt;a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2009/04/lowcost_home_weather_proofing.html"&gt;online here&lt;/a&gt;. Newer OregonLive posts brag of the pilot program. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The City of Portland is directing action at benefiting contractors, with delegation through Energy Trust of Oregon, to &lt;a href="http://www.portlandonline.com/bps/index.cfm?c=50152&amp;amp;a=265161"&gt;empower largest contractors&lt;/a&gt; or to low-skill general contractors who employ home performance testers, and subcontract work for profit. Everything should empower the people in need, to simply qualify projects, and do work themselves, or choose their own contractors. The big-guy testing is rarely useful in qualifying work, and is contrary to service where a conflict of interest is established. All testing should be impartial, by other organizations.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The public deserves stronger action now. This isn't about jobs. It is about getting investments done, with rapid payback in energy conservation. I think there is a special need to motivate and enable owners of rental property, where tenants suffer for lack of insulation or a crummy old furnace. Let the no-interest enabling money go to contractors and materials suppliers on behalf of, and in the service, of tenants. In an owner-occupied home, savings from lowered utility costs repay the loan. An owner of rental property will find means to  pay off a ten-year loan. Up-front money is harder, and the tenants, and The Earth, suffer.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I am proud of the former Oregon State Representative for my neighborhood, now US Senator, Jeff Merkley, who offers the up-front weatherization financing nationwide, in &lt;a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-1574"&gt;Bill S. 1574&lt;/a&gt;. Oregon proudly followed British Columbia, with our &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Bottle_Bill"&gt;Bottle Bill&lt;/a&gt;.  This action is far more important. It WILL empower work more effectively than after-expense incentive payments. Please see more about association with HB2626, &lt;a href="http://merkley.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=da2462bd-88c4-414a-b4a3-18e356b40319"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.\&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I want to be part of debates in Oregon where the legislation is acted-upon, as required, by Oregon's Department of Energy, for ALL residents.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-376850528335380481?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/376850528335380481/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=376850528335380481' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/376850528335380481'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/376850528335380481'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/12/clean-energy-works-portland.html' title='Clean Energy Works Portland'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-5846056645336905405</id><published>2009-11-14T06:27:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-11-14T09:22:20.210-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Fire Safety and Insulation</title><content type='html'>Talk of vapor retarders, linked to fire safety issues, should be followed by more independent thought on the fire safety issues. Everything in life is compromise against competing concerns. I'm proud to present a clean, physically-safe attic. Yet, I can not offer a maximum in fire safety. I'm stuck with lots of pre-existing features not open for discussion or change. Residential codes allow a bias in favor of usability and resale value, and I think that is where I am aligned. I put in clean, serviceable batt insulation, when starting with none. I don't mind a bed of rock wool or cellulose to start, leaving in-place with contribution to better fire safety, in addition to avoiding land-fill even for some dirty stuff. Cover the dusty stuff, I will, and in an attic floor, I doubt covering batts degrade fire safety.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have taken the step of burning samples of Tenoarm and old, reject batt kraft facing, in my garage. Both do burn. The tarred kraft facing with some ready fury. The Tenoarm, not contained, sustains flame, but progressively falls out of the flame in drops of melt. I don't know how to proceed further, and leave advising to some Federal consumer-protective force.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Through a customer, I am awakened to concern for fire safety in the insulation of sloped ceilings, that connect knee wall closets with an upper attic. Such passages are found with various draft-stop provisions, more often wide open than draft-stopped. When wide open they tempt provision to moderate roof temperature, by baffling over new insulation. If roof joists are 2x4, I argue that R15 batts, pressed-down, leave sufficient breathing space, and that works even if the bottoms of the slope cavities are draft-stopped. I recently completed a new-drywall insulation placement with 2x6 roof joists, where breathing spaces were forced by DuroVent plastic baffles. Upon prompt by drywall contractors, I must reduce the applied insulation from R21, to R15. I may instead argue that the spaces should be draft-blocked, removing the baffles.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I wish a blog or some other internet forum might moderate discussion toward appropriate compromises. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-5846056645336905405?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/5846056645336905405/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=5846056645336905405' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/5846056645336905405'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/5846056645336905405'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/11/fire-safety-and-insulation.html' title='Fire Safety and Insulation'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-112805234500780541</id><published>2009-11-12T21:02:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-11-13T06:29:21.337-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Vapor Retarder Two-Thirds Rule</title><content type='html'>When placing insulation in  Portland, Oregon, I rarely use material with a bonded-on vapor retarder (kraft face). I am aware of propaganda favoring cellulose, and raising fear of fiberglass batts, in &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwD9Xiy39rM"&gt;The Big Burn Video&lt;/a&gt;. Proponents of cellulose have dealt with criticism of organic cellulose as inherently less safe than inorganic mineral insulation, and tilt the table too far in the other direction. The video presents ideal cellulose, and fiberglass with no description. I imagine the fiberglass was a least-favorable setting, with air channels (chimney path) the length of flammable kraft facing. A fair comparison would have fiberglass totally filling joist bays, with no kraft facing. &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I will never use kraft facing in a wall or in a new-construction ceiling. There I use complete, taped sheathing with polyethylene sheeting designed for the purpose, Swedish &lt;a href="http://www.conservationtechnology.com/building_films.html"&gt;Tenoarm&lt;/a&gt;. Aside from fire safety concern, I save time and get better fit, in custom-cutting unfaced batts. I also follow the advice of the USA importer of Tenoarm:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.conservationtechnology.com/building_design.html"&gt;http://www.conservationtechnology.com/building_design.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; use kraft batts in an attic floor, to isolate new material from found loose-fill insulation. I use original reasoning in study of dew point data for my location, as reviewed in &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2008/04/cleaning-up-blown-cellulose-attic.html"&gt;this posting&lt;/a&gt;, with a current update. The commonly-understood two-thirds rule states that a vapor retarder should be to the warm side of two thirds of the applied insulation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-112805234500780541?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/112805234500780541/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=112805234500780541' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/112805234500780541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/112805234500780541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/11/vapor-retarder-two-thirds-rule.html' title='Vapor Retarder Two-Thirds Rule'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-5726123189585761793</id><published>2009-10-29T17:22:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-09-29T21:42:41.127-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Beginning Thoughts of Math, Carbon Footprint</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;In effort to show the value of home energy conservation efforts, I have done &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/insulation-math"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;math&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt; for heat transfer, and fuel costs crunched for my city. Now, I want to join the game of declaring benefits as reduction of carbon footprint. An advantage in this is that low, subsidized, cost of heating fuel is divided out. I accept numbers from a recent issue of National Geographic,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;March 2009, p 67:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Driving: a gallon of gasoline adds 19.6 lb CO2. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;One KWh electric use adds 1.5 lb CO2.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;100 cf of natural gas emits 12 lb CO2.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;I need to back up a few steps, and understand where I am expected to go, with reduction employing such numbers. Start with the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/ind_calculator.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;EPA Household Emissions Calculator&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Here is my annual carbon footprint, living alone, working hard as a weatherization contractor:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;12,438 pounds CO2 in driving 13,400 miles per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;2,808 pounds CO2 for 239 therms of natural gas in an efficient furnace heating my modest 1000 sf home and productive workplace.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;7,063 pounds of CO2 to generate 7663 KWH of electricity per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;22,309 pounds CO2 before savings efforts volunteered, about 1000 pounds of CO2, through car maintenance and through steadfast recycling.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Numbers correspond fairly well with the National Geographic conversions. I am near the 20,750 per-person US average. I have begun to share my home, and that will push me below the average. The sharing of my home is in fact the most powerful thing I can do.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Better-educated by this study, I am inspired to save a few thousand pounds of CO2 emissions per year. Here are several ways I could save 1000 pounds: Drive less by 8%, fifty gallons, or 1080 miles.  Reduce electricity use by 14%. Reduce my use of natural gas for heating, by a harder-to-do 35%, or 85 therms. There is promise in all of these. Only heating reduction through conservation, what I do for others as a contractor, is painless.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;I began this writing exercise upon concluding that large effort in a customer's attic of 720 sf, going from R13 to R40, would save fifty therms, the equivalent of using thirty gallons in driving, and about 600 pounds of CO2 averted. It was a small gain, but beyond painless. It is a more than twenty percent annual return on the customer's investment, forever, and further value in more-comfortable living. The customer will still look for harder ways to reduce footprint. The saving corresponds also to that of diligent use of clothes lines in a wet climate; this with no effort.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-5726123189585761793?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/5726123189585761793/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=5726123189585761793' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/5726123189585761793'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/5726123189585761793'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/10/beginning-thoughts-of-math-carbon.html' title='Beginning Thoughts of Math, Carbon Footprint'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2686380246768976472</id><published>2009-10-12T05:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-12T05:22:56.227-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Free Access to Codes</title><content type='html'>In a &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/05/ptcs-i-sold-my-blower-door.html"&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt;, I expressed my wish that all public regulations important to my safe workmanship, should be available for free online access. I am pleased to find that the National Electric Code, maintained by NFPA, the National Fire Protection Association, can be read &lt;a href="http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/list_of_codes_and_standards.asp?cookie_test=1"&gt;online&lt;/a&gt;. You only need to register for access. There is no cost. I wish it were word-searchable and printable. If it were pdf, I could readily enlarge for less challenge in reading.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, how about building codes?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2686380246768976472?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2686380246768976472/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2686380246768976472' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2686380246768976472'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2686380246768976472'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/10/free-access-to-codes.html' title='Free Access to Codes'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6053790472957056922</id><published>2009-09-05T06:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-24T06:44:13.665-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Sealing Attic Floor Pits</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Dropped ceilings in closets are seen in an attic, as floor pits. Photos here, with corrective action, are of a home built in 1953. Attic air is freely admitted to walls the full height of rooms below, amplifying the ceiling-area heat loss or gain, by an order of magnitude. Let's try the math here, on that order of magnitude. Numbers in play are represented by L and W, the dimensions of the ceiling, and H, the below room height. I see that the influence of closet interior walls is debateable where the door is normally closed.  Figure the amplified area as 2* (L + W) *H, where L = 46, W = 31 and H = 96.   2* (L + W) *H = 103 sq ft.    LW = 9.9 sq ft.    The amplification factor is 10.4.  If insulating 9.9 sq ft saves $7/ yr, the larger saving is $73/ yr. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TErtiV5cYMI/AAAAAAAABjs/m8Cz0KhBt10/s1600/IMG_0647.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TErtiV5cYMI/AAAAAAAABjs/m8Cz0KhBt10/s320/IMG_0647.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TErtirPQQBI/AAAAAAAABjw/np9XcLqIHxA/s1600/IMG_0652.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TErtirPQQBI/AAAAAAAABjw/np9XcLqIHxA/s320/IMG_0652.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/Home/attic-access-2009/IMG_0648.JPG?attredirects=0" imageanchor="1" style="-webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-repeat: initial; border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial; color: #4e7dbf; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Carry the argument of an order-of magnitude multiplier a bit further. For this closet, if the door were left open, the area exposed to attic-room temperature difference increases by the interior side-wall area below the drop. The larger amplification factor is 13.5. The smaller amplification factor, (2* (L + W) *H) / LW, is a minimum for home situations. I imagine home situations where the minimum is larger than 10.4. How about a long, deep wall used as a ventilation chase? Ten ft long, a foot deep. The amplification factor for a one-floor 8-ft chase is 17.6. If the chase runs down two floors, 16-ft, the amplification factor is 35.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I argue to my rebates manager, that pit closure is far more important than &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energytrust.org/residential/incentives/Weatherization/AirSealing"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;air sealing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; opportunities in an attic floor. Pits are often overlooked or are improperly fixed when found. Old insulation may be draped over a pit, merely hiding it, with slight impediment to air flow driven by the temperature gradients. A loose-fill installer will almost never know of the neglect. There are no incentives to pick up that old, dirty insulation to find and fix pits or other problems, in practice. In my area the testing trade, Home Performance, is promoted by a fifty percent of cost rebate for air sealing work if that achieves quite-large drop of infiltration, 300 cfm or more under test conditions. That is absolutely unhelpful here. The problems are not made detectable by blower-door conditions of pull from the attic. A pit doesn't contribute to infiltration. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;My closure of the pit employs half-inch drywall pulled up to floor joists, and edge-sealed with spray foam. I prefer GP Densarmor fiberglass-faced drywall, kept as scrap from my closet projects. Screw a length of 2x4 under the drywall for lifting and anchoring. Sandwich the drywall with another 2x4. I shape Densarmor edges with a Shurform plane. Ordinary drywall is too brittle, and paper facing resists trimming of edges.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left; zoom: 1;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This relatively simple pit closure took more than an hour of actual performance. With an extra trip it is far more costly to an installer, if not known in advance and rewarded through a contract. If a contract change must be argued or if the worker is somehow detached from responsibility, a proper fix is not mere due diligence. It is unlikely to happen.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left; zoom: 1;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This home was like a test lab for pit sealing. A rare opportunity, yet daunting since problems were detected upon bidding. Daunting since more time would be spent in the attic in summertime heat. Daunting since pulling drywall up under floor joists requires more than a bit of cleverness.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left; zoom: 1;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There were three more pit areas, one including a dropped ceiling over a bathtub; another a long wall with dead volume associated with a grand fireplace; and another very simple at a dropped ceiling over the home entry. That at the fireplace involved working in extremely cramped overhead, out to an outside wall, and had six hours of actual performance. Multiple visits dealt with rerun of interfering wires. All of these problems were happily hidden, until I pulled up nice-looking insulation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left; zoom: 1;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I challenge Energy Trust of Oregon, and other rebate organizations, to do a better job of serving and protecting Utility consumers. All stuations that invite being overlooked, should be specifically reported by weatherization contractors, to secure diligence rebates. I ask for a new rebate program, where reported pit closure qualifies rebate-times-ten for involved floor area. All diligence rebates should be presented for public examination and learning. This reward approach is consistent with the fact that some pits are large enough that pit walls could be insulated instead of making a difficult but fall-protective cover. The alternative reward of fifty percent of repair cost is of comparable size, and would work if the conflicted tie to reward those invested in Home Performance, were removed. Keeping the tie here is absurd, yet that is the dogged position of Energy Trust of Oregon. Keeping the tie is a grave disservice to homeowners. While I owned a blower door, modestly invested in Home Performance, I NEVER found a problem not more-readily detected by simple observation. I never found a home without a great excess of infiltration, to be dealt with by progressive and obvious measures such as window replacement. Tests taught nothing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left; zoom: 1;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 5px; text-align: left; zoom: 1;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here is related comment upon feedback to focus on unique and interesting opportunities, and to raise the state of the art in weatherization. At the last Energy Trust Trade Ally meeting I attended, I shouted out that blower door testing for unique purposes should be rewarded directly to the contractor, a token amount of $50, if he offers a report of why and what learned for PUBLIC DISCLOSURE. A family of public reports would raise the state of the art among contractors nationwide, would inform the DIY public, and would sell Home Performance services. We all need to better imagine the situations where blower door and/ or infrared thermography testing profits the homeowner. The situations may be uncommon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6053790472957056922?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6053790472957056922/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6053790472957056922' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6053790472957056922'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6053790472957056922'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/09/sealing-attic-floor-pits.html' title='Sealing Attic Floor Pits'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh4.ggpht.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/TErtiV5cYMI/AAAAAAAABjs/m8Cz0KhBt10/s72-c/IMG_0647.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-3395620565299033323</id><published>2009-08-27T21:11:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-27T21:31:29.672-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Using Baffles With Attic Batt Insulation</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SpdcPmuzB-I/AAAAAAAAAxI/ctFFn2CGBU0/s1600-h/IMG_0716.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SpdcPmuzB-I/AAAAAAAAAxI/ctFFn2CGBU0/s400/IMG_0716.JPG" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5374866103454599138" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This is a one-foot length of Durovent baffle material,  held against roof sheathing by batt insulation stuffed beneath. Placing the top-course crossing batts goes faster, and I get more insulation at the periphery, when I don't have to worry about blocking vents.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-3395620565299033323?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/3395620565299033323/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=3395620565299033323' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3395620565299033323'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/3395620565299033323'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/08/using-baffles-with-attic-batt.html' title='Using Baffles With Attic Batt Insulation'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SpdcPmuzB-I/AAAAAAAAAxI/ctFFn2CGBU0/s72-c/IMG_0716.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-5082791935851025511</id><published>2009-08-05T05:27:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-06T08:11:27.492-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Access Done</title><content type='html'>With a hole in the wall, the problem is manageable.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have improved ceiling insulation to R40, over 80 sq ft, and the accessible areas of the cut knee wall to R15. After rebates, despite access cost, the job cost will be repaid by energy savings, in less than ten years. For the homeowner, it is one more thing to feel good about.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The real-plaster patch is another art that needs promotion.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Snl7YjK0nII/AAAAAAAAAwA/zalNq26lJcU/s400/IMG_0944.JPG" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5366456092676365442" /&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Snl7ZaMc_CI/AAAAAAAAAwQ/LadtIk9C3ro/s400/IMG_0956.JPG" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5366456107447155746" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-5082791935851025511?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/5082791935851025511/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=5082791935851025511' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/5082791935851025511'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/5082791935851025511'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/08/access-done.html' title='Access Done'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Snl7YjK0nII/AAAAAAAAAwA/zalNq26lJcU/s72-c/IMG_0944.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-1754696178835720999</id><published>2009-08-05T04:23:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-28T11:31:18.474-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Access, and Insulation</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;The light at the floor aims at a difficult insulation opportunity, behind finished knee walls.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Snls0v2LfjI/AAAAAAAAAvo/oK3xba3iigo/s400/IMG_2551.JPG" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5366440084441366066" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Let's see what is behind this crude door.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Snls1Jt3HPI/AAAAAAAAAvw/O2pfL9DxtOo/s400/IMG_2552.JPG" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5366440091385797874" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A conscientious installer of cellulose insulation made a best effort to weatherize the ceiling of the home Living Room. Coverage is a spotty twenty percent, with none in the lee of obstructions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Some day I will fix this, from a new, better access. Attic Access is what I do, and that involves willingness to cut and crawl through plaster walls. I have done this. &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/08/access-done.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#660000;"&gt;(next post)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Snlud3mEg6I/AAAAAAAAAv4/JA626gMKZo4/s400/IMG_2553.JPG" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5366441890407547810" /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-1754696178835720999?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/1754696178835720999/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=1754696178835720999' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1754696178835720999'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/1754696178835720999'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/08/access-and-insulation.html' title='Access, and Insulation'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Snls0v2LfjI/AAAAAAAAAvo/oK3xba3iigo/s72-c/IMG_2551.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2344103702098998641</id><published>2009-05-24T15:32:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-11-09T21:12:23.373-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Recycling Extruded Polystyrene Foam, (Styrofoam)</title><content type='html'>This post is edited as of November 7, 2009.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;EPS foam blocks (Styrofoam) ARE recyclable, in Portland, Oregon.  Recycling, of clean material only, is a service of Pacific Land Clearing, at three of their four locations in metro Portland.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.plcrecycling.com/centers.html"&gt;http://www.plcrecycling.com/centers.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.thebeenews.com/features/story.php?story_id=121245837507203600"&gt;This Bee Newspaper review&lt;/a&gt;, tells the story, as of June 4, 2008, with info on what PLC does with the styrofoam. Reported options include a volunteered service of the seasonal Moreland Farmers Market, which brings a weekly collection to PLC.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I find styrofoam stored in attics, often. Stored.  Not really doing any good as insulation, where air freely seeps under. I collect material in a &lt;a href="http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2008/04/distributing-or-hauling-out-loose-fill.html"&gt;55-gallon drum liner&lt;/a&gt;, and when full, make a trip to a PLC location. I want my city to require all recycling centers to accept material, and bring it to PLC. As noted in The Bee, the mindset that styrofoam must go with trash, is hard to undo.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Every city should look for means to consume styrofoam as done by PLC and as described in The Bee. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-2344103702098998641?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/2344103702098998641/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=2344103702098998641' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2344103702098998641'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/2344103702098998641'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/05/recycling-styrofoam.html' title='Recycling Extruded Polystyrene Foam, (Styrofoam)'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-7053767025181924030</id><published>2009-05-22T01:52:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-29T07:31:55.222-07:00</updated><title type='text'>PTCS Air Sealing? I Sold My Blower Door.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;The meaning of the acronym PTCS, is Performance Tested Comfort Systems. This resides at ptcsnw.com, which is maintained in Portland, Oregon, by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://ecosconsulting.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;Ecos Consulting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;. PTCS has been a bugaboo to me. Oregon Department of Energy has delegated its training responsibility for weatherization contractors, to ptcsnw/ ECOS.  That responsibility currently is carried out by instruction through Energy Trust, in  sealing HVAC ducts, and installing heat pumps. These classes are motivated for a large number of weatherization contractors, by &lt;a href="http://www.energytrust.org/"&gt;Energy Trust of Oregon&lt;/a&gt; rebate requirements (see end of this post). Useful skills will be taught in the classes, but they should not qualify anyone and everyone, to work as HVAC specialists. I would not ever compete for that work, but would refer a real specialist that I trust.  I don't want to invest in the HVAC instruction, for a couple of reasons:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;First, there is substantial cost of about $1000, my time of two full days in class, and a $400 tuition.  If the instruction really is important to people I serve, the tuition should be rebated somehow as reward for my unpaid dedication to my community. My costs are in the thousands of dollars, for unrewarded bid visits and telephone advice, often surpassing what a paid auditor offers a homeowner. I think the knowledge of PTCS that should matter to me as I &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;make attics useful&lt;/span&gt;, whatever it is, is in the public domain, and should be accessible online. All paid people are ultimately funded by taxes, here a 3% addition to natural gas and electricity bills. Anyone, not just paying contractors, should get back more than one-time rebates for conservation measures. There should be no obstacles between public-domain knowledge, and the public, anyone, who might have use of that knowledge. The gripe is similar to what I feel about codes turned over to publishers, to make a profit. I will pay for nicely-bound code documents, but expect to find them in online pdf form, for free download. There should be no barrier of access, to things in the public domain, that I need to know. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;Second, I know that the instructor of Ecos/ ptcsnw duct sealing classes, has stated in a Home Energy Magazine article &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.homeenergy.org/archive/hem.dis.anl.gov/eehem/96/960109.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;, that duct sealing with wrap-and-goop is objectionable to many workers, and that foil-faced double-backed butyl tape I have reported finding useful, is good. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energytrust.org/library/forms/HES_WX_WeatherizationSpecifications.pdf"&gt;2009 Energy Trust Specifications&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;, at DS 1.5, ban the foil tape except &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;on&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt; air handlers. I can not accept that I have done wrong in my employment of Polyken Foilmastic 367-17. I have protested the Energy Trust rule. One application I am absolutely proud of, is the joining of flexible heating ducts to a steel collar insufficiently smaller than the duct ID. I have achieved secure coupling in several homes, where ducts were detached, by slitting the duct in 120 degree sectors, applying 367-17 to the ID tightly-smoothly-generously, to form a bell. I then wrapped the improved duct and collar in OD application of 367-17. I challenge anyone to do this repair with wrap-and-goop. If I am in rebellion, I can not attend the class.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;I have not invested in the tools of real HVAC professionals, including a duct blaster and other more-complex equipment. I bought a blower door last August, but just sold it. I only bought the blower door,&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt; to support customers with air-sealing-achievement rebates. Thankfully, such rebates have been eliminated in Oregon. I do not wish to compete dishonestly  with the real HVAC professionals, or with professionals engaged daily as Home Performance testers. Home Performance testing demands daily practice, and investment in all tools, including all elements of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energyconservatory.com/products/products1.htm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;Energy Conservatory&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt; products, and infrared thermography equipment. I am sad that my buyer, a general contractor like me, intends to delegate testing work to an employee, also not a dedicated professional, and to snag general contracts through the aura of holistic treatment of a home. General takes cuts on Subs. I don't do that. I want the homeowner to independently choose best contractors for all work. No cuts out of the homeowner's pocket. Home Performance testing is a summary task, after obvious things have been fixed. Get a greenness score for real estate purposes, and be sure a home is not too tight. One need not do testing, to imagine big measures of weatherization, HVAC upgrades, thorough crawl space ground barrier sealing and radon mitigation including  heat-recovery ventilation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;There are strong emotions, perhaps mostly relief, in selling the blower door, though it had been sitting idle in my living room, tying up capital. I had been refused an air-sealing rebate in an oil-heated home subject to Oregon Department of Energy rebates, for want of PTCS certification. In the job,  I patched visible, large holes, including a car-bashed garage wall, not found through another contractor's blower door test. That was not work for an HVAC professional. I promised to sell the blower door,  if ODOE would not deal with this irrationality. Another bump to emotions over blower-door irrationality is in performance testing as a BASIS for duct sealing. (The PT in PTCS,  taken to excess.)  Energy Trust allows a rebate for duct wrapping, only if the ducts have been tested&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt; (with a duct blaster). Duct sealing and duct wrapping rebates hereafter apply only to work done by PTCS-trained HVAC technicians. In many homes, the entirety of a home's HVAC ducting is visible in a crawl space or attic. An insulation installer can know that ducts are intact, and could wrap them with opportune timing, but that is banned.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;HVAC ducts should not be allowed to leak, but Energy Trust allows leaks to be deliberately maintained, if needed to achieve minimum fresh-air exchange, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="  -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;7 ACH or greater at 50pa&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="  -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;See the requirement&lt;a href="http://www.energytrust.org/library/forms/HES_WX_WeatherizationSpecifications.pdf"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="  -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energytrust.org/library/forms/HES_WX_WeatherizationSpecifications.pdf"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energytrust.org/TA/hes/weatherization/airsealing.html#as1_5"&gt;,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="  -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt; at AS 1.62. If one wants more fresh air, do it intelligently, with an HRV installation! Other absurdities are brought in, with the campaign to sell PTCS training. I will be out of this business, until it is fixed. If I find a detached duct, I will assuredly re-connect it, and might foil-tape it. Shame on me. No rebate. None deserved. Failed to test? Punish me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-7053767025181924030?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/7053767025181924030/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=7053767025181924030' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7053767025181924030'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/7053767025181924030'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/05/ptcs-i-sold-my-blower-door.html' title='PTCS Air Sealing? I Sold My Blower Door.'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-6444673640566738649</id><published>2009-03-17T06:41:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-03-24T05:04:39.759-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Duct Joining and Sealing with Mastic</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Sb-o6-xvPYI/AAAAAAAAAOY/eWhKF3dHs64/s1600-h/Higashi+Attic+Duct+Taped.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Sb-o6-xvPYI/AAAAAAAAAOY/eWhKF3dHs64/s400/Higashi+Attic+Duct+Taped.JPG" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5314151816557968770" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Duct sealing can be done at lowest material cost, and with assured complete air tightness, using a two-part tape method, or a simple brush-on or spray-on of mastic. This photo shows one duct element solidly installed with materials I judge to be &lt;a href="http://www.hardcast.com/"&gt;Hardcast&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.hardcast.com/PRODUCTS/pdfs/2PARTII.pdf"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Two-Part&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; RTA adhesive, and DT 5300 mineral-gypsum-compound-impregnated fiber tape. A two-part joint has alignment strength that is comparable to that with Foilmastic tape, but stable alignment must be achieved by other means, before tape application. The method was easily applied where a small-diameter duct was at rest on blocks. Brush-on &lt;a href="http://www.hardcast.com/PRODUCTS/pr_detail.asp?pid=1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;mastic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; has its place where duct joints are not under bending stress. Mastic covering is not suitable where a duct must be lifted for subsequent insulation wrapping.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hardcast materials are conveniently available at &lt;a href="http://www.gensco.com/"&gt;GENSCO&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-6444673640566738649?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/6444673640566738649/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=6444673640566738649' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6444673640566738649'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/6444673640566738649'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/03/duct-joining-and-sealing-with-mastic.html' title='Duct Joining and Sealing with Mastic'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Sb-o6-xvPYI/AAAAAAAAAOY/eWhKF3dHs64/s72-c/Higashi+Attic+Duct+Taped.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-299012649919508741</id><published>2009-03-16T07:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-29T07:25:57.993-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Duct Joining and Sealing With Foilmastic Tape</title><content type='html'>&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Sb5cH65hH2I/AAAAAAAAAOA/v3loYTDD95I/s400/Burke+Attic+Duct+Sealing.JPG" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5313785901483106146" /&gt;What is an insulation installer to do, if a customer has not found and hired a competent HVAC mechanic, to fix defective ducts, in advance of his work? I gamely did what had to be done, in this first trial of methods.  A 16" diameter return-air duct has been re-routed, with some new, stronger ducts and elbows. Several detached joints were made stable, and were locked and sealed using &lt;a href="http://www.polyken.com/Data/Products/Docs/DT367-17N.pdf"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style=""&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Nashua Polyken 367-17 Foilmastic UL 181B-FX listed tape&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. GENSCO will be a good supplier of all elements of the job. No one offfered me a wrap and goop method, and I would have found that unsuitable here. I needed to progressively, experimentally and securely assemble the ducts. Wrap and goop is both too permanent and too insecure.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Sb5hsVYrWjI/AAAAAAAAAOI/skmOJAhAm3s/s400/Higashi+Attic+Ducts.JPG" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5313792024626551346" /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Foilmastic is useful for all joining and sealing of solid ducts. It is also useful as a means of flaring and stabilizing a flexible duct where it joins a solid duct. This flexible duct was not large enough to engage the steel duct. I cut 120 degree “flaps” that were drawn over the steel ducts, with good control of engagement. I  taped the flaps down with a couple of full turns of 3” foil tape. A full round or two of poly-skrim-kraft tape completes the mating with insulating wrap. Several dollars of tape are involved. It is worth it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Sb5jrD4uXDI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/JTDGhXdG9jQ/s400/Higashi+CS+Duct+Sealing.JPG" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5313794201772514354" /&gt;&lt;div&gt;A crawl space might incude a large number of supply-side ducts of variable diameter, with perhaps a need of detachability for access. I note the following in a &lt;a href="http://www.homeenergy.org/archive/hem.dis.anl.gov/eehem/96/960109.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style=""&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1996 report&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" ;font-size:13px;"&gt;&lt;ul style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "&gt;&lt;li&gt;Duct mastic works, although cold and wet weather make it difficult to apply.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a name="96010914"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Workers don't like mastic. It ruins clothes and tools, especially when users are novices.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a name="96010915"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Tape-applied mastic seals well. These are the aluminum tapes with 15-mil butyl backing.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Air handlers are leaky.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 20px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:x-small;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 20px; "&gt;These duct elements had been bound with duct tape, which of course was dried out and detached. Joints were stable but not secure. There were no leaks more significant than that occurring at the elbow joints. Foilmastic is used to assure joining strength, and sealing was not the first objective. If simple sealing were the objective, brush-on mastic would do, and all joints should be painted. Here, near the crawl apace entrance and with relatively good head room, Foilmastic was not the only choice. Please see the next posting. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-299012649919508741?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/299012649919508741/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=299012649919508741' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/299012649919508741'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/299012649919508741'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/03/duct-joining-and-sealing-with.html' title='Duct Joining and Sealing With Foilmastic Tape'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/Sb5cH65hH2I/AAAAAAAAAOA/v3loYTDD95I/s72-c/Burke+Attic+Duct+Sealing.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-4471134567655217872</id><published>2009-01-09T06:38:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-09T06:52:52.797-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Conditioned Crawl Space, First Experiment</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWdh5gvhTgI/AAAAAAAAAKI/P8AMrKLawfs/s1600-h/Conditioned+CS.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWdh5gvhTgI/AAAAAAAAAKI/P8AMrKLawfs/s400/Conditioned+CS.JPG" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5289303928039624194" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;In a very three-dimensional crawl space, with a trench and a gas furnace, Visqueen, 6-mil poly, whatever the cheap covering commonly available, does not suffice.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is a trial of 16-mil reinforced polyethylene called Goldentouch, from &lt;a href="http://www.americover.com/16_mil_reinforced_fire_rated_goldentouch_779_prd1.htm"&gt;Americover&lt;/a&gt;. The material is superior to that offered by &lt;a href="http://www.basementsystems.com/crawlspace/crawlspace_products/crawlspace_vapor_barrier.php"&gt;Basement Systems&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;All seams are strongly attached and sealed with tough 1 1/2" width double-back butyl tape. Topside overlap is dressed with 4" width "vapor bond" sealing tape, matching the tough Goldentouch white vinyl.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The material cost here was about $500. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1824943627340897655-4471134567655217872?l=energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/feeds/4471134567655217872/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1824943627340897655&amp;postID=4471134567655217872' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4471134567655217872'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1824943627340897655/posts/default/4471134567655217872'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyconservationhowto.blogspot.com/2009/01/conditioned-crawl-space-first.html' title='Conditioned Crawl Space, First Experiment'/><author><name>Phil Norman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05985383574850078234</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWyciqFx6lI/AAAAAAAAAKU/DQbJNmvRQ_c/S220/IMG_2302.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWdh5gvhTgI/AAAAAAAAAKI/P8AMrKLawfs/s72-c/Conditioned+CS.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1824943627340897655.post-2199155032949158755</id><published>2009-01-08T07:40:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-11-16T18:59:43.111-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Kneewall Closet Air Barrier</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWYesh023KI/AAAAAAAAAKA/hKMtYW5DuEw/s1600-h/Housewrap+After.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5288948562736372898" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SzH3WkPqZq8/SWYesh023KI/AAAAAAAAAKA/hKMtYW5DuEw/s400/Housewrap+After.JPG" style="cursor: hand; cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 400px; margin: 0 10px 10px 0; width: 300px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This kneewall closet was to be insulated in compliance with new Energy Trust of Oregon requirements as follows:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Kneewall insulation, whether new or pre-existing, shall be covered with a durable, vapor permeable air barrier material to prevent air penetration of the insulation, and to ensure that the insulation is hel
